Rafi and Yodeling
This article is by Pradeep.
In few of the comments that I read on this site, it seems many esp. Kishore Kumar fans are unaware about Rafi Sahab’s yodeling. Kishore Da is popular with this style of singing and probably due to this reason, Rafi Sahab didnt bother to make it his trademark. For a singer of Rafi Sahab’s caliber, yodeling was not much of a deal.Lets look into couple of songs where Rafi Sahab has yodeled.
First song that I get reminded of is from Feroze Khan starrer Reporter Raju. This movie was released in 1962. The Song is O Chale Ho Kahan Kaho? I love these lines Akal Se Kaam Lo, Zara Aaraam Lo, Nazuk Ho Thak Jaavoge and Rafi Sahab’s expression in these lines. Its got a very catchy tune by S.Mohindar and fun loving lyrics by Anand Bakshi.
Listen to O Chale Ho Kahan Kaho.
Next comes a rare number from Doctor Z. How many of you have heard this 1959 movie? Here is another comical number Hello Sweety Seventeen with Asha Bhonsle. Music given by Manohar and lyrics by Akhtar Romani.
Listen to Hello Sweety Seventeen.
Another song from Agra Road, 1957 movie in which we can hear Rafi Sahab yodeling. Music by Roshan and lyrics by Prem Dhavan. This is a duet with Geeta Dutt and chorus. The song is Unse Rippie Tippie Hogayi.
Listen to Unse Rippie Tippie Hogayi.
His Yodeling skills are not just limited to Hindi. Here is one for Punjabi song with Dilraj Kaur. The song is Keno Saban Dein.
Listen to Keno Saban Dein.
Did you like these songs? Are you aware of any more where Rafi has yodeled? Let me know.
>> Admin, 55 GB data tranfer per month ? are you proud of this ? how many good works have you and other members done ?
lol. Messy. You are simply jealous of we the Rafians who have united. You don’t have any valid reason to come and blame us. Show me one good thing that you have done? Send articles and we will publish it. If you have something valid against Rafi, then shoot else boot. You’ve said 80% of the articles are biased and speak for Rafi oops against Kishore. Ofcourse, on this site you will not find anything that is for Kishore. Most of the times, Kishoredians feel when we say Rafi is the best singer, it is against Kishore. In that sense, which is completely nonsense, 80% tho kya 100% articles say that Rafi is the best singer. It is not just on this site, most of the Internet sites you will read that.
>> Being an admin, I am wondering how could you say that so proudly?
lol.. why just me any member on this site would say this proudly that Rafi Sahab is the best singer. You go to Kishore fans they proclaim Kishore is the best singer, you go to Mukesh’s you will get to hear that Mukesh is the best singer. Being Rafi fans, we are proud of Rafi.
>> As usual, I haven’t written any article.
So sad.
>> Peple come here and talk because they want you to change this site.
lol. Messy baba.
>> So, improve mohdrafi.com, your yoodleeyoo.com looks better.
Wow, Thatz a vote of confidence. I will do it. I will improve mohdrafi.com in every possible way.
>> You have utmost respect for him ? then how many times did you warn the members not to write against him?
Show me my posts where I have written not to talk against Rafi? You are free to state facts. I’ve always stated not to use vulgar and filthy language. If one does, not simply Kishorefans, even Rafi fans are not welcome here.
>> Don’t accuse me of being criticising an admin, I would do the same to a member and to an admin.
Naah. Ciritisize me, that will give me more strength to improve and justify.
Nair says:
Finally, a one point, “Mere Naina Sawan Bhadon†is not a classical song. It is neither semi-classical. It is one among the millions of Indian film songs (being sung my thousands of ordinary singers) in high swaras, even lesser than “Tere Mere Beech Mein Kaisa Hai Yeh Bandhanâ€, which is also in the same raga
You are riht Nair. As for the Messy comments….i rest my case.
Roop,
You might have seen many people saying against Rafi but not me. I am not any of them
who have been criticising Rafi. I just said not to criticise Kishore or any other Legend.
So, don’t think that way. I don’t have to choose different IDs to say my views.
I am not hypocrite, I say and accept what I believe. But there are some people here who
know the truth and believe something which they can’t accept. You know who are they ?
and you also know I am not among them.
Yes, Rafi is the benchmark. Most of the singers praise Rafi first and then other singers.
You think calling him benchmark means I must say all the nonsense about other singers ?
Is it justified ?
I said haters when I saw people unnecessarily commenting on other singers which I don’t
think is good or is necessary either. I have done nothing wrong, it’s you who should
understand my point and ask the other members not to say bad about singers.
Again you have commented on Salil, no godly authority of music ? then who is the godly
authority of music ? if not these great MDs then nobody else could be, you should feel that
I think you are having problem because he praised Kishore, so you are finding faults in
him. So I am sure you only love them who praised Rafi only and not any other singer.
The last 2nd and 3rd paragraphs are too odd to get a reply. I leave them as they are.
Admin,
55 GB data tranfer per month ? are you proud of this ? how many good works have you
and other members done ? go to the archives and you will see only 20% are only on
Rafi and rest 80% is anti kishore. Being an admin, I am wondering how could you say that
so proudly ? regarding your question, it’s very easy. I think you too know the answers.
As usual, I haven’t written any article. When I searched on google, I found these and
I have been visitng. I have been just reading. When I saw there are less Rafi and more
anti Kishore, I opposed that. You want to develope Kishore’s site ? That site is very good.
But you haven’t done justice to this site. Peple come here and talk because they want you
to change this site. You should understand that site contains no vulgar about Rafi, but
you seem to be happy being this site getting anti kishore posts, so that’s the thing need to
be changed, can you do that ? Then you will definitely see people here and there too
and no vulgar anywhere. So, improve mohdrafi.com, your yoodleeyoo.com looks better.
and more peacefull. Thanks
You have utmost respect for him ? then how many times did you warn the members not
to write against him ? and how many times did they follow ? if not then this is your
respect you think ? Do not say something you do not mean. I am sorry but it sounds bad so
I said. Don’t accuse me of being criticising an admin, I would do the same to a member and
to an admin.
Dear Sjh,
I said I would not comment against you. Because I respect your age and position.
Just feeling sorry that a Senior Director, IT doing these kind of stuffs other than his
Job. So, what can I expect from the ordinary ones ? you deserve to be criticised more than
them. I don’t know you are, may be it is 40 or 45. I just can’t imagine a person of your age
and position have this little knowledge and so unthoughtful. Now I undertand education
and age are not sufficient to chane a man’s thinking. He can be like you even he is more
education. Don’t go beyond, do not give examples of TV shows or what other singers say
You yourself have no thought, what they will do ? the thing you have said about Yesudas
and SPB is very true. But still you haven’t learnt that you shouln’t criticise any legendary
singer that says your depth of skill and knowledge as a Senior Director.
Forgive me once again, I don’t want to join any debate with you. So don’t call me for
by posting anything again.
Mohd Rafi is best, who can disagree ? no need to shout to prove that, it’s already proved.
But you are proving Kishore deserves no respect from you and you are shouting to prove
that. Believe me, people will definiely laugh at you. Even the singers like Rafi, SPB and
Yesudas will laugh at you when they hear such comment from dot dot IT,
no matter how big fan you are of them.
Messi
Sri.Yesudas: If at all there is a singer who can reach the proximity of Rafi Sahab, it is Yesudas. If one observes his renditions in Malayalam carefully, one can find his voice being somewhat similar to Rafi. His Hindustani renditions are very close to Rafi Sahab’s quality. Yes, as SJH said, Kishore Kumar is not a fit theme in “classical†discussions, although he is a somewhat good playback singer who has given good “hitsâ€. Rafi fans will be extremely happy to understand and appreciate any musical plus points of Kishore Kumar, if put forward by them, “iff†it relates to music. Now what they are doing is to offer weak defense to Rafi Sahab’s positives fetched by Rafians.
Finally, a one point, “Mere Naina Sawan Bhadon†is not a classical song. It is neither semi-classical. It is one among the millions of Indian film songs (being sung my thousands of ordinary singers) in high swaras, even lesser than “Tere Mere Beech Mein Kaisa Hai Yeh Bandhanâ€, which is also in the same raga
Admin says:
Arey.. we are the blessed lot. We have numerous Rafians visiting this website. Almost 55 GB datatransfer per month. The site is so successfull that even Kishoredians visit this place.
>>This is a great site of the greatest singer and a farishta insaan, Rafisaab. Dear Admin you are doing a wonderfull job and apart from a few illierate and dumb members who visit, most others are true Rafi fans that love and music in general besides having respect for other singers.
Here are a few snippets about Yesudas who not only is a Rafisaab Bhakt but a fine singer himself and these are a few things he has to say about Rafisaab. Most knolwlegable fans are probably aware of this. The reason I present these snippets is to expose one Messy member here who has zero know how of music and HFM in general. It is insulting to logic and this great site that such notorioulsy dumb crusaders come here and waste the space and precious time of other members.
“On a program called “Gandharva Sandhya” presented by Kairali TV of KeralaHe went on to say how, as a youngster, he used to listen to Rafi-saar (sir) and practiced singing his songs. Yesudas said that he considers Rafi-sahab as his guru and idol. He felt that such a singer would never be born in ages, if ever.”
“Among singers, Mohammed Rafi is my all-time idol and I keep his general excellence in mind always. But once I am in front of the microphone, I forget all my idols and sing in my own way”
” Mohammed Rafi had a uniqe gift of singing classical songs in a way that even those do not undersatand classical music can enjoy the song”
“I won my first award when I sang ‘O Duniya Ke Rakhwale’ in a song competition. Rafi is my guru.”
And this is what the Messy member has to say” About Yesudas, he better than Kishore and Rafi in singing classical songs”
This is not my English, hence do not laugh please. You see the crusader is here with an agenda but sadly zero knowledge to back that up.
And only God knows why KK name is dragged in a conversation thats involves classical singing, another example of zero knowledge.
From this point, I request all like minded members not to waste any of our resources on dumb and illieterate crusaders.
Further, Rafisaab fans please do not use harsh langauge against KK, I see a one or two of you have done it. We have nothing against KK, we like him as we like all are singers. It is these crusaders that we need to deal with and not KK, infact lets ignore them fom now on.
Thanks and looking for some good posts.
> The admins will feel sorry for that. They made this site thinking Rafi lovers will come and write good thing about Rafi, but doesn’t happen.
Arey.. we are the blessed lot. We have numerous Rafians visiting this website. Almost 55 GB datatransfer per month. The site is so successfull that even Kishoredians visit this place. Inspite of many asking them to leave, they just can’t make up their mind. What is it here that they are getting so very attached?
We made this site along with Kishore Kumar site – http://www.yoodleeyoo.com. I hope Kishoredians could visit that place as well. Why is it that place is hardly visited? Why is it that kishoredians visit that place so rarely? Kishoredians, please do give me feedback like what is lacking there that you guys are always here? May be I can put in a bit more effort on that site to make it a pleasing site for you all.
Just as a disclaimer let me mention that my sandesh/address here was only on/for kishoredians and not on Kishore Da at all. Kishore Da was,is and will always remain a marvellous singer and I have utmost respect to him.
Messi/Pearl/Avi/Shankar
ID badaldene sa aukat nahi badalti. Here is an exit strategy for you, go to http://www.yoodle.com
The admin here is very tolerable and very fair hence imposters like you are still around.
Your insecurity and hypocrisy is pathetic and speaks volumes of your desperation
. At one time you say Rafi is the benchmark and when people initiate a proper dicussion based on facts, you call them haters as you have nothing sensible to debate against their points. This is a sign of loosers.
Salil must have never said anthing so naive, it is all a product of your frustated minds and fantasies and even if he did, he is no godly authority of music.
Stop wasting more ID’s and instead of trying in vain to prove KK is better than Rafi, why dont you guys go to Kandwa and repair the house of KK that is being shamelessly neglected and left in ruins. Shame on you and all those who call them KK fans.
Stop using more false ID’s otherwise face the prospect on being sitten on a donkey, with a blackened face and moved you around Kandwa.
myk and sjh…time waste nako karo on these haters….yeh lathon ke bhooth hey baton se nahi manaygein.
I don’t think people were that time were jeolous of Rafi, why do you say that and to whom
you want to blame that ? do you some facts ? I think it’s too much praise that you do for Rafi
and nothing else. About Yesudas, he better than Kishore and Rafi in singing classical songs
but his voice didn’t suit the softcore romantic and funny songs, which people prefer equally.
Your comment on Kishore says you simply don’t like him. You can say everyone of that time
is better than Kishore, because your intention is to say the limitations of Kishore. That says
you hate him like many people do on this site even.
As you said Salil was never a Rafi fan, I will say he was never a Kishore fan as well. But he
did say the truth, fans never do justice instead they do partiality. Simple, you praise only
your fav singers. others will do for their fav singer. but it’s a MD can judge equally who is
not a fan of either. Salil need not be a Rafi fan to comment that, he knew what kind of
Singer Rafi was. He was not a fan of Kishore also, but he knew what kind of singer
Kishore was. Similarly, I can say few other MDs were not fans of Kishore so they
commented like that. But that’s not true. They said the truth, whether it is Naushad or
O.P Nayyar or Salil Chowdhury. You love the previous 2 MDs more because their music
was mainly with Rafi and they praise him too. You say something against Salil because
he worked with Manna Dey, Mukesh and again he said something great about Kishore
which you can’t tolerate. I think Rafi didn’t have people who hated him or jeolous of him
it’s kishore who had them. Even he has few people on this site who talk against him.
Again wrong. you said one is sun and other is candle, that make the things clear
too much biased, inclination and onesided nature can think like that. Now, I am sure why
some people behave this way. You are just biased, I love both of them so I know the
greatness of them, but something you don’t or may be you don’t accept because you live
in one part only never tried to go the other side, always hate that side. It’s your mind and
thinking that created so much difference, it’s thiking that made a little difference a big one.
I don’t have problem with Rafi saying benchmark. I know he is. But I am not a person
who think of Rafi and only Rafi and no other singer. I think that can be done by
prejudiced ones or people having excessive hatred. The admins will feel sorry for that.
They made this site thinking Rafi lovers will come and write good thing about Rafi, but
doesn’t happen. Because people who call themselves Rafi lovers, are not true lovers.
They are less Rafi lovers and more Kishore Hater. So, this site is full of anti activities
What the Admins will do ? They can’t make a so called lover a true lover, the so called
Rafi lovers must try. Once they start trying, I believe they will love and praise all the great
singers which Rafi himself did.
Messi
MYK says:
‘He mentioned that Rafi was a versatile singer but in western scales he had his limitations which is totally bogus since Rafi sang many songs on western scales or notations with ease”
>>Its shocking that he made this baseless observation, obviously Salil da was after all a human being too. As far as western scales are concerned, there was no male voice to sing it until they discovered that Rafi could. Western songs were mainly done by female singers notably Asha, Geet and Samshad begum.
Mind you Rafisaab did not know English and as we all know was a very simple, conservative and shy person and to hear the pep and liveliness of his renditions goes another step towards why he is the benchmark.
MYK says:
“If you analyze Rafi’s songs on a harmonium like I have, you will see the huge shift in notes. It is impossible for any singer to replicate these notes that Rafi could easily manage with his voice flexibility”
>>Keep it up for this great observation. Are you by chance a trained musician. As only knowledegeable people know about this.
Hope we can have some more interesting, intelligent and factual discussions.
Messi,
I know what I’m talking about when I was mentioning Salil’s comments about Kishore and Rafi. Yes many MD’s were jealous of Rafi’s talent, this is a fact, maybe you might not like it but it is true. This doesn’t mean Salil’s comments are a result of jealousy, I was making a general comment, but Salil wasn’t a great Rafi fan anyways. He mentioned that Rafi was a versatile singer but in western scales he had his limitations which is totally bogus since Rafi sang many songs on western scales or notations with ease. If you analyze Rafi’s songs on a harmonium like I have, you will see the huge shift in notes. It is impossible for any singer to replicate these notes that Rafi could easily manage with his voice flexibility. My point was that Salil’s comments on KK do not hold much since even with classical training, I don’t think KK would have had the capabilities to match Rafi or Yesudas whom I consider the second best singer after Rafi, because simply he was not a versatile singer. If he was, he would sung in a variety of genres, and MD’s would have given him challenging compositions (which don’t require classical training but purely vocal flexibility), and this did not happen because it was obvious KK could only sing certain types of songs. The more one ponders or argues this fact, the more they go backwards.
I do regard Salil as a great composer, however I think it is you who should read into the history of Rafi before commenting on my knowledge, from the way you comment saying jealousy is something I brought up lol shows you’re putting your apples in the wrong basket. Yes Salil found out about Kishore’s limited capabilities as a singer but this does not mean he would have been a better singer than Rafi just because he made some comments. Are you going to say the same thing about other MD’s when they say something abt KK ?. Virtually the majority have said Rafi is the benchmark and if a few say otherwise like Salil (even though they praise Rafi other ways), will you take their words and match it against the majority ?. Add this with the MD’s personal equation with the singer, in this case Rafi and Salil (Salil never being a big Rafi fan) and you have your answer.
I think you still have a problem with Rafi considered the benchmark of singing and I hope you find out more about it. Ofcourse Rafi and KK can’t be compared, its like comparing a candle (KK) to the sun (Rafi) in terms of abilities and voice, and singing. Ofcourse everyone will have their favourites, but loooking at it from a non-bias view it is quite obvious that Rafi outshines the rest.
Pearl,
I think sjh responded to all your comments. It is true that Rafi could sing anything he was asked to. The classical singers that were brought up in the discussion do not have very high vocal ranges, in fact the majority don’t have flexible vocals, they are great in classical songs, but outside of that can they sing in different type of genres ?. Rafi had the ability to sing in a variety of genres, and even sing great classical songs, which proves that you don’t need classical training to be the ultimate in your field, there has to be a natural talent, flair and gift to sing the way Rafi did.
You guys are really funny, who said Kishore is better than Rafi ?
>> You guys???? I am hearing this terminology quite often (something is Messy)…whatever lets move on
posts of other members about the comments of Salil Saheb on Rafi, he has no peers. Agree !
I must agree because I believe in the judgment and music of Salil Saheb. But at the same, I do
also agree with his comment that Kishore could easily take the place accoupied by Rafiâ€
( as someone said here ), this sentence says Rafi has no peers but it also says It’s Kishore
could be a peer of Rafi if he had learnt classical. I agree with both of these statements that’s
why I never said Kishore is better than Rafi, but I do believe Kishore is unique. Some of you
believe in Salil Saheb’s first statament but not in second statement, which sounds ridiculous.
>>> LOL…belief, its not a question on belief or disbelief. Read carefully, I was simply informing the other member what Salil da has said about Rafi. I don’t understand the relevance of the second statement to this discussion anyway. Rafi is considered greatest not because of what one or two people think. Its a popular opinion of innumerable knowledgeable legends that includes MD’s, actors, singers, critics and millions of fans worldwide. Nadeem of Nadeem Shravan has gone on record saying Kumar Sanu is better than Kishore Kumar? Is that a popular opinion, I guess no. Hence although Salil da is entitled to his opinion, it is not a popular one.
About the songs: Duniya ke Rakhwale, Man Tarapat. They are very difficult First one based
on Raag Darbaari Kanada and the 2nd one based on Malkauns. The first one doesn’t have
that fluctuations but it has a high range part, when Rafi takes it to the end it’s just amazing
but don’t use the words rare and unique talent.
>> When Rafi started singing in 44, no one could think or speculate that he could have sung milestones like these and his unmatched ability to modulate his voice for more than 3 decades of changing trends and music. This suggests that Rafi is special and if given the opportunity could have also sang the most complex classical songs. My statement was to this context. Nida Fazli has said “If Rafisaab was a gazal singer, it would have being very hard for other gazal singers to competeâ€. Aziz Nazan says (76) , Rafi sahab is amazing, he sings Qawalis like professional qawals, thank God he is not a full time Qawal otherwise people like us would be out of job. My statement about Rafi being able to sing songs of professional classical singers was from this context.
They can’t sing like Rafi, they can’t sing Mehbooba Mehbooba like R.D. Burman, because
their voices are not for these songs, they have taken to a much higher level. They can’t
>>> How many songs have RD Burman sang? Do not give such poor examples.
Man, you have done a very big mistake here. You compared among people of totally
different boundaries, you should know who to compare and with whom.
One request, do not compare like this in future.
>>>Baccha, you first learn to read properly before making godly comments. Rafi saab is un comparable and I dont get into the silly business of making comparisons.
Another free advice , read before you write and think before you make acomment. This ID of yours sounds less ‘Messy’ but your views don’t.
You guys are really funny, who said Kishore is better than Rafi ? Did I ? As I heard from the
posts of other members about the comments of Salil Saheb on Rafi, he has no peers. Agree !
I must agree because I believe in the judgment and music of Salil Saheb. But at the same, I do
also agree with his comment that Kishore could easily take the place accoupied by Rafi”
( as someone said here ), this sentence says Rafi has no peers but it also says It’s Kishore
could be a peer of Rafi if he had learnt classical. I agree with both of these statements that’s
why I never said Kishore is better than Rafi, but I do believe Kishore is unique. Some of you
believe in Salil Saheb’s first statament but not in second statement, which sounds ridiculous.
About the songs: Duniya ke Rakhwale, Man Tarapat. They are very difficult First one based
on Raag Darbaari Kanada and the 2nd one based on Malkauns. The first one doesn’t have
that fluctuations but it has a high range part, when Rafi takes it to the end it’s just amazing
but don’t use the words rare and unique talent. A Classically trained singer can sing much
more difficult songs. Do not drag the name of Pandit Bhimsen Joshi or Ustad Aamir Khan
They can’t sing like Rafi, they can’t sing Mehbooba Mehbooba like R.D. Burman, because
their voices are not for these songs, they have taken to a much higher level. They can’t
sing songs how Kailash Kher or Kunal Ganjewala sing, does it mean these Ustads and
Pandits are worse then the bollywood playback singer ? you better take some lesson on
classical music. Again you have said, Rafi could sing whatever they could, I feel sorry for
that. Not possible to imagine bollywood singers singing hardcore classical like Pandit Jasraj,
Ustad Bade Ghulam Ali Khan. All persons have limitations and some range. These classical
Maestros can’t sing the romantic songs like Yeh Chand sa Rashan Chehra similarly Rafi,
Kishore, Hemant Kumar can’t sing classical like these maestros. If Hemant Kumar can’t sing
the romantic tunes like Rafi did then Rafi can’t sing the Rabindra Sangeet like Hemant Kumar
did. Man, you have done a very big mistake here. You compared among people of totally
different boundaries, you should know who to compare and with whom.
One request, do not compare like this in future.
MYK
Thanks for reading my posts and all credit to you for understanding them.
Here are a few things that I like to add as far as Salil da is concerned. Salil da’s favorite singer was Hemant da and Mana da. Salil da was not very keen to work with Rafi, but all changed after he used Rafi’s voice in “toote hue kyabon nein’ from Madhumati, Salil da has gone on record saying after that ” No wonder Rafi saab has no peers in singing”.
This is a hugh comment. Mind you he used Mana and Mukesh for doing playback even in 70’s when KK was the first choice for Rajesh Khanna.
Hence it is clear that he had his favorites but he did acknowldge the greatness of Rafisaab.
As per Anil Biswas is concerned read my post in the section that reads “Short man with a great voice”.
Yes you are right in pointing that Rafi had no formal training in classical, a fact that Mana da has verified. Rafisaab used to sing in Chorus in his early years with Mana da as the lead singer.
Such was in greatness and inhernet talent that he could sing a true classical song, not one that is simply composed on a Raga but one that requires true skills for singing.
Example:
Duniya Ke Rakhwale
Man Tarpat
Sud Bisar gayi Aaj
Panjanya Chanke Raam
All these are truly classical numbers and only singers with rare and unique talents could sing them with the elan and class like Rafi could.
Infact I cant think of anyone except Mana who could have sung without making the song sound boring.
Could Bhimsen joshi or any classical singer sing songs like:
1. Yeh Chand sa Roshan Chehra
2. Chahe KOi Muhje junglee kahein
3. Dil Ke Jharokon mein
and innumerable other songs, and make them sound like Rafi does. Alternately, i have no doubt that Rafi could sing whatever they could.
Cheers
Myk,
You shouldn’t comment in that way on Salil Chowdhury at least. He is among the all time
greatest Music Composers of India, read his life story to know more. About Jealousy,
I think this is something you have opted. Nobody(at least the MDs) was jealous of Rafi,
because he gave everything that the MDs wanted. You are talking about comments of
other MDs and saying that Salil Chowdhury didn’t like him or jealous for Rafi saheb, so he
did this ? Hahaha! It could also happen that What other MDs couldn’t understand was
understood by this person If you know Salil never believed in Kishore’s skill and didn’t work
with him, so he was not the people who were taking him. But when Kishore was asked to
sing some songs and Salil found that Kishore has some caliber, because Salil couldn’t
expect that type of singing from a normal singer(means who is not trained)
Regarding Rafi’s classical training, yes he learnt classical music and he was a trained
singer, he learnt them from Ustad Abdul Wahid Khan and Ghulam Ali Khan, might be
the duration was not long. Talking about better classical singer, yes they were Ghulam Ali
and Manna Dey. Talking about versatile singer, yes it was Rafi. Rafi’s romantic voice
brought a new dimention to the cinema world.
As somebody already said about Anil Biswas whose favorite was Talat Mahmood as you
said about Salil Chowdhury because he specially acknowledged Kishore’s skill. It’s you
who have problems and not these MDs.
Yes, they can’t be compared. They are like the keys of a Harmonium, If one is the white
keys then the other one is the black keys. You need both the keys to compose a tune.
You choose one, but you can’t live without the other one.
Messi
Messi,
I don’t think sjh directed any posts towards you, he was mentioning the crusaders who come to our site in an attempt to prove that KK was better than Rafi. We don’t go to KK sites and try and prove anything, we don’t have to, we know there is no singer that can compare to the greatest Rafi saab.
I have read your comments in which you mentioned that Salil said regarding KK and how if he had classical training he would be better than Rafi. First off, it is understandable he would say something like this since he was never a big Rafi fan. Virtually every MD has mentioned that no singer can compare to Rafi saab (including KK and our other legendary singers), so if a few MD’s mention something else it is either due to their jealousy for Rafi’s skills or the fact that they don’t like him for their personal reasons.
Classical training doesn’t make you the ultimate singer, if it did, then all the Manna Dey’s, Ustad Ghulam Ali Khan’s etc. would be the best singers in the world. You have to have an inborn talent. With due respects to KK, he was a good singer within his range. He could sing many light songs with ease, he added his own brilliance to his songs, however he was limited. He could not sing pure ghazals, qawwali’s or even filmi semi-classical songs as well as others because his voice was not flexible enough to do that compared to a Rafi or a Yesudas in the south, which is why MD’s did not bother giving him those types of songs since they knew his limits. You def. don’t need classical training to sing the above mentioned genres, classical training can only help you to a point. It can help you with sur, it can help you train your voice better, it can help you with breath control, the rest of it has to be in born talent. Rafi did not have classical training, yet he could sing anything. He picked up classical training as he went along. Even if he didn’t have classical training he would still be ahead of the others because he had this gift of singing every type of song. It’s not only in the aspect of genres, Rafi had such a wide vocal range, someting KK did not have, and he had a pure voice, that it is hard to imagine anyone at his level. He was and is the true benchmark of singing. When composers composed for KK, they were limited because of his vocal range, but for Rafi, a composer could compose any tune at any sur because they knew Rafi could reach those levels. These are just a few of the examples that makes Rafi the greatest. Also, you always find from others, comparisons to Rafi, be it Rafi-KK, Talat-Rafi, Mukesh-Rafi, SPB-Rafi etc. because Rafi was the ultimate in singing.
I find it hilarious when others mention that because KK was a specialist yodeller, he was better than Rafi. Rafi didn’t need to yodel to prove he was a great singer, he was miles ahead of the rest in singing abilities. Yodelling is not an art form, and if someone does well in it like KK did, it doesn’t mean he was the greatest singer. You don’t judge a singer by how well they yodel, you judge them by their abilities, and Rafi was truly the greatest.
Regarding ‘Tum Bin Jaon Kahan’, both singers did well in their respective versions and both were composed in different ways, so they cannot be compared. Just like Rafi and KK cannot be compared, both were singers of different calibre.
I should have charged you for the advice,maybe that would have prompted you to read my posts or ask someone to interpret it for you.
Now that you are cornered and exposed as a ‘crusader’ you are accusing me of things that I have not written.
Can someone point please where I have rubbished Hemant, Mukesh, Kishore or anyone for that matter? You have rubbished yourself by your recent posts written on the back of ignorance, anger and a self trashed ego.
You need a find a site where other crusaders meet and talk nonsense to boost thier egos and fantasise of things that never happened.
I do not condone anyone using foul language against any singers or legends, something which anyone who has a little sense and some basic English language skills can measure from my posts.
Great. Very smart way of writing, smart man. Do you think you are kidding me ?
Mr. Sjh, everything need not be explicit, there is another word called “implicit”, you have
written in the posts: KK fans do this, KK fans do that even as a reply to my post, so it says
you considered me coming from the same group. Conclusion is from my side, but they are
based on your posts.
Thanks, you agreed Rafi fans can also be a KK fan, are you among them ? if yes, then did
you ever stop the people who were criticising Kishore instead you are trying to stop me ?
in fact you also belong to the same group. Does it say something ? or you are not among
them ? but you are smong them because you said you are a fan of kishore, fan of sanu
so as a fan, you are criticising them and trying to stop me when I oppose you ?
Proved informations ? so you agree you are among them who started Rafi-Kishore fight
on the basis of some proven informations ? proven or not, you will be blamed for creating
such situations. Yes, you haven’t met people like me and you will never meet. I love
all the legends and I don’t say anything rubbish against them. As you said: you love Kishore
you love Mukesh, hemant then why are saying rubbish against them ? True love
doesn’t criticise, it just loves.
Do not use the word crusaders frequently, especially when you use big words but carry
llittle meaning( as fas as your intention is concerned) I don’t want to comment on the song.
You seem to be a hypocrite here, no matter which one sounds better but you will be stick
to one. I didn’t say you have made this site, I said even if you haven’t made this site you are
posting ridiculous statements. So, it doesn’t either say that you love Kishore .
Finally, I am sorry for generalizing by saying you people. But you know why did I do that ?
Because you take part in anti kishore activities. You are a senior director, IT. I respect your
age and education. I don’t want to argue with you, you are more experienced than I am
and you know much more than me in many areas. But I wonder who could a person in
your position can post these kind of stuffs ? how ? You are supposed to stop us doing
these, but no you are doing the same. I am sorry, but I have done very little in comparison
to you. Talking about debate, no matter how much intelligent you are and how much
decent you are, do not take as a reason. I am not intelligent, but don’t challenge me
I assure you, you are not the one who will win on the debate even when you are debating
with less intelligent people.
Nothing to say more, just forgive me cause I really feel bad, I think I am younger
than you. Senior Director sounds 35 ? anyway, I won’t post againt you but will make sure
that there are no more offensive posts. Thank you,
Messi
Messy says
Let me tell you first, don’t call me a KK fan. I don’t use the word fan like you people do.
>> I have not even mentioned your name or anyone’s name, hence I am surprised why you arrived at this conclusion…whatever lets go on.
May be you people think, KK fan means prasing KK and humilating Rafi like being aRafi fan you think the other way and you behave like that.
>> Obviously you have either not read my posts or simply the English language is not your forte. You people????? I fail to understand even this terminology. I like other sane and knowledgeable fans do not indulge in humiliating anyone, hence your accusation is baseless. Let’s read ahead
Above of all, a Rafi fan can also be a Kishore Fan
>> absolutely I am with you on this one….lets read ahead
le’ts criticise and defend Mr. Rafi, they don’t have to do the jobs like you do. You think
>>LOL…obviously the same issue as above, you have either not read my posts properly or you fail to understand ….lets go on
Posting some informations and telling something against other Legends shows your love for Rafi ? Grow up man !
>> Its not some information its proven information, if it hurts you then its really your problem. That’s why I call such specimens, Crusaders and not fans. Their ability to inflict hurt on their ego is a result of their narrow mindedness to facts and solid information. Don’t worry about my growing up, I am doing just right maybe you wish to advise that to your self and others that are needlesley crusading for KK who really is better of without any unsolicited representation….lets move on
You are just making a fun of music itself.
>> Well its actually silly views and comments like these make a mockery of yourself and music in general.
It’s not necessarythat KK fans are not fans of Rafi, they like Rafi too because he is a singer of that level and KK fans need not be biased like you who think “Love Rafi, love Rafi only loving other
>> I have nothing against KK fans, I have met true KK fans and they are not like you and other crusaders who utter nonsense and react before reading and understanding. There is a hugh difference between crusaders and fans which you fail to understand.. I love KK too, I love Mukesh, hemant and Mana Dada also, I also luv Sanu…I am fan of music.
So, better not go ahead and fight over.
>> Whose fighting, I don’t even know you and am too busy , I am taking this time out to write because you addressed the post to me and have made baseless accusations (not that I care) and hence I need to make the record straight. Do not expect such generosity from me in future as I only debate with intelligent and decent people.
But I am sure, as a music lover you know which sounds better no matter what was the mood and lyrics
>> First you accuse me of making fun of music and now you call me a music lover…change of heart.I love both the versions as I said but if I was asked which sounds better then the answer would be without any doubt , the one by Rafisaab. Do not be rattled everyone has their own choice, there is no coercion. Also it does not mean that KK does not sound good in the song, something crusaders do not understand
I am not a Crusader, crusading is not my job. It’s the job of you people.
>> Well I never said that you were a crusader but the conclusion I derive from your comments are very disturbing ….I have a job and its Senior Director IT, you have got my job details wrong, please amend them. Again you people?????? Makes me feel either you are alien or others on the site are.
So, don’t try to call me by that name.
>>Are baba, I did not even use your name….Chor Ki dadi mein tinka….
Better teach the other people who were doing thatunnecessarily.
>>> I am not a teacher not do I reach or preach so I don’t understand this statement of yours.
After all this is a Rafi site
>> Yes we are aware of that but maybe crusaders are not. As I have said before debate with sense and dignity or leave this site in peace so that we can use this facility for purposeful discussions.
but you are not making it a Rafi site, you are making anti mukesh, anti kishore, anti etc site which obviously everybody who are not prejudiced will object.
>> I have not made this site, I am not even an admin, and again I don’t understand your statement.
>>A free advice, read carefully, understand, if you cant then take assistance from someone who can and then comment.
>>Lastly, it does not matter what I say or anyone else says on this site and elsewhere. It is already embedded in the glorious history of music that Rafisaab is the benchmark, the most authentic, pure and everlasting institution in playback singing. A fact is that as well known as the directions of the rising and setting of the sun.
>>If you do not agree with this then, you are entitled to but do not vent your anger on others who do.
Nair,
That’s wonderful and true. Yodeling doesn’t play any role in music. If you go to learn music,
nobody teaches you about that, it’s just a singer’s own style as an addition to the mood
sometimes to make it melodious and sometimes to make it sad. It’s like whistling where we
create the music by our tongue, lips and teeth. Though it doesn’t have to do anything with
music but it plays some role when you use it. Good informations, thank you so much.
Sjh,
Let me tell you first, don’t call me a KK fan. I don’t use the word fan like you people do.
May be you people think, KK fan means prasing KK and humilating Rafi like being a
Rafi fan you think the other way and you behave like that. That’s no my definition, so I
avoid it. Above of all, a Rafi fan can also be a Kishore Fan if he is not over defensive
in such cases. I see many ages people, many young people who are die-hard fans of
Rafi, they choose Kishore after Rafi and not before. But they are not like you who think
le’ts criticise and defend Mr. Rafi, they don’t have to do the jobs like you do. You think
Posting some informations and telling something against other Legends shows your
love for Rafi ? Grow up man ! You are just making a fun of music itself. It’s not necessary
that KK fans are not fans of Rafi, they like Rafi too because he is a singer of that level and
KK fans need not be biased like you who think “Love Rafi, love Rafi only loving other
legends is not the cup of Rafi fans”, which doesn’t have any logic. I come here and used
to read to the article because I wanted to know. As usual, some people are just helpless
they can’t change their attitude, so the situation follows.
Thanks for the clarification. Yes, the two songs are different. Lyrics is different, mood is
different. In fact, I am the first person who said that as a reply to the author who compared
the two songs and said “Rafi’s one is better”, so my reply was. I don’t compare the two
Legends but when I see onesided people, I ask them not to do by giviing contradictory
arguments. So, better not go ahead and fight over. But I am sure, as a music lover you
know which sounds better no matter what was the mood and lyrics.
I am not a Crusader, crusading is not my job. It’s the job of you people. So, don’t try to
call me by that name. Better teach the other people who were doing that
unnecessarily. At least avoid using that word. You can’t change anything by saying all
these no matter how long you use this sife for that purpose. I hope, you will learn someday
that it’s you who started this sick job first and won’t continue this. After all this is a Rafi site,
but you are not making it a Rafi site, you are making anti mukesh, anti kishore, anti etc
site which obviously everybody who are not prejudiced will object.
Messi
Nair says : These are probably a few reasons why a disciplinarian in music like Rafi Sahab did not pursue an insignificant act like yodeling and went to explore more scientific layers of music”
Alas a post with which I can connect. Well done Nair saab.
It is a gross insult to KK that he is being promoted by the crusaders as a ‘yodeller’, something as insignificant as this? and to increase the humiliation on KK and show their exterme ignorance they try to show that Rafisab was no not good at yodelling. Amazing isn’t it? Not that it matters hat they say.
I am happy that Rafisab did not use such unwanted pranks in his singing. The songs where he has yodelled are the ones where the MD’s wanted it. Nothing was beyond Rafisaab’s forte and talent, not even a yoodle.
On Yodeling:
Definition
“yodeling is a type of singing in which high falsetto and low chest notes are rapidly alternated; its production is helped by the enunciation of open and closed vowels on the low and high notes of wide intervals†(Encyclopedia Britannica).
Concept
Yodeling conveys nothing, yet conveys something sometimes. Structurally, it is a combination of nonsensical syllables. But when incorporated in a tune, these nonsensical syllables generally create a joyful mood, although sorrow is possible as well. Yodeling is seen mostly in tribal music and is traditionally associated with [Swiss] culture (Hmmm… there might even be a legal claim as a geographical indication!). In India, it is known to have been used in some Manipuri folk songs. According to Swiss yodel experts, all that is needed for an aspiring yodeler is a loud and strong voice. It is also an interesting fact that the master yodelers are wolves!!
Practice and Rules
In yodeling, since the high notes rapidly alternated with low chest notes are “falsettosâ€, yodeling does not seem like having any musical rule to support it. Another fact emphasizing the “unruly†nature of yodeling is that none of the musical instruments can produce a yodel in the strict sense of the practice, for musical instruments have systematically controlled configuration. To be precise, musical instruments are designed to produce music.
In carnatic music, a yodel like sound is a clear case of “apa-swara†– a voice slip. It normally happens to untrained singers when they try to sing in high swaras. However, in film songs it sounds good in a few situations, for instance, in jollity or happy-go-lucky mood.
When used in a song, the yodel also should conform to the raga of the song; normally it is so. Now, if yodel as an art (if it can be called so) is removed, it simply means that the singer is asked to sing apa-swara. It is to avoid this situation that yodeling is done separately like Yoodeleeey yoodeleeey or Tiri tiri tee yee turu turu too oo oo that stands separated from the lyrics (exceptions are e.g. Chala Jaata Hoon, where yodel forms part of lyrics). Yet, it will not be acceptable for a disciplined music director/singer to have much of it in his songs, let alone making it a hallmark.
These are probably a few reasons why a disciplinarian in music like Rafi Sahab did not pursue an insignificant act like yodeling and went to explore more scientific layers of music.
The KK crusaders are here too. Amazing that true Rafi fans never go to sites of other singers to prove a point, well they dont have to. Rafisaab is simply the best and this too is an understatement.
I will not be wasting my time to discuss the foolish statements made by a crusader but would like to deal with one point about ‘Tum Bun Joon Kahan song. A lot of nonsense and propanda has being inflicted over the years. To say RDB went to KK and ask to improve the Rafi version is absoulte rubbish and illogical. The fact both the songs had a different composition proved this nonsense claim.
There is nothing, absolute nothing to back these lies developed by these self appointed crusaders to calm their burning ego’s and somehow make themselves belive that KK was a better singer than Rafisaab. No one was, why drag poor KK in such illogical arguments. KK must be turning in his grave as a result of these so called KK fans who belive they own KK. Rafisaab and all legends are no ones private property they are for all.
To say KK sang better or Rafisaab sang better the Tum bin song is a nonsense argument, an act of desperation and bigotry.
Both tunes are different, both situations are different and the moods are different. To compare 2 things there must be similarities. Hence if KK and Rafisaab would have sung on same tune and mood then one could make a judgment but for that one must also have the capacity and knowhow of music to do so. If Mukesh would have sung the third version then we would have Mukesh fans saying the Mukesh’s version is better than KK and Rafisaab’s.
For me both are sung beautifully. KK does a great job and Rafisaab like aways gives another flawless rendition. Just because some one prefers the KK version that does not mean it is better and vice versa.
I pefer the Rafisaab version as it is so romantic but I would be a fool to say that any version is better than the other for reasons stated above.
However I can say that Rafisaab has a flawless track record, a benchmark of singing acknowledged and respected by all his co singers who are legends in their own right. He could excel in any song.
Taking the logic or should I say lack of it of these crusaders the fact that Rafisaab was called to sing the legendry ‘Man Mora Bawra’ and the eternal “Ajab hein Dastan†which Shankar of SJ has gone on record saying that it was not KK’s cup of tea and OPN saying that he does not belive KK could have done sung it even half that of Rafi, does this imply that KK was not good enough to sing even his own songs let alone others?
Personally I think he could have sung both the songs but I am happy Rafisaab did as he has nailed them big times like all his other offerings. The consistency of Rafisaab for such a lon period of time is unblievable and remains unmatched.
Crusaders, you are the ones who are humiliating KK by needlessley comparing him the emperor, Rafisaab. Its high time you realise that he is uncomparable and the greatest pride and glory of singing, a fact that becomes greater in magnitude with the passing of time.
The KK crusaders are here too. Amazing that true Rafi fans never go to sites of other singers to prove a point, well they dont have to. Rafisaab is simply the best and this too is an understatement.
I will not be wasting my time to discuss the foolish statements made by a crusader but would like to deal with one point about ‘Tum Bun Joon Kahan song. A lot of nonsense and propanda has being inflicted over the years. To say RDB went to KK and ask to improve the Rafi version is absoulte rubbish and illogical.
There is nothing, absolute nothing to back these lies developed by these self appointed crusaders to calm their burning ego’s and somehow make themselves belive that KK was a better singer than KK. No one was, why drag poor KK in such illogical arguments. KK must be turning in his grave as a result of these so called KK fans who belive they own KK. Rafisaab and all legends are no ones private property they are for all.
To say KK sang better or Rafisaab sang better the Tum bin song is a nonsense argument.
Both tunes are different, both situations are different and the moods are different. To compare 2 things there must be similarities. Hence if KK and Rafisaab would have sung on same tune and mood then one could make a judgment but for that one must also have the capacity and knowhow of music to do so. If Mukesh would have sung the third version then we would have Mukesh fans saying the Mukesh’s version is better than KK and Rafisaab’s.
For me both are sung beautifully. KK does a great job and Rafisaab like aways gives another flawless rendition. Just because some one prefers the KK version that does not mean it is better and vice versa.
I pefer the Rafisaab version as it is so romantic but I would be a fool to say that any version is better than the other for reasons stated above.
However I can say that Rafisaab has a flawless track record, a benchmark of singing acknowledged and respected by all his co singers who are legends in their own right. He could excel in any song.
Taking the logic or should I say lack of it of these crusaders the fact that Rafisaab was called to sing the legendry ‘Man Mora Bawra’ and the eternal “Ajab hein Dastan” which Shankar of SJ has gone on record saying that it was not KK’s cup of tea and OPN saying that he does not belive KK could have done sung it even half that of Rafi, does this imply that KK was not good enough to sing even his own songs let alone others?
Personally I think he could have sung both the songs but I am happy Rafisaab did as he has nailed them big times like all his other offerings. The consistency of Rafisaab for such a lon period of time is unblievable and remains unmatched.
Crusaders, you are the ones who are humiliating KK by needlessley comparing him the emperor, Rafisaab. Its high time you realise that he is uncomparable and the greatest pride and glory of singing, a fact that becomes greater in magnitude with the passing of time.
Messi, your posts are not deleted. Its right there. It was pulled down by the system assuming to be spam. Please cut down on your privacy settings in your browser else each of your post will be treated as spam and caught under moderation.
To delete, I don’t hesitate, when I do, I inform.
Dear Admins and all,
Why my posts are deleted ? What did I do ? Just because I opposed yr anti slogans ?
If my posts had to be deleted then why are your’s here ? that simply shows the hypocrite
nature of you. I am sorry, but I am not able to post anything now. Why ? Do you still think
People would love people like you ?
I beg you pardon
Messi
Sir,
Here again ? why do you people fight over the singers ? even over the legends ?
let them live peacefully in heaven and let’s listen to their songs.
Mohanflora,
I thought you prefer Sonu as you prefer Rafi because their voices are on the same phase
whereas Kishore and Udit’s voices are on the other phase. Rafi fans don’t like Sonu as he
sings Rafi songs well. No doubt he is not that good, but he is good in whatever Rafi-songs
he has sung. That’s why you people choose Udit because he doesn’t sing Legend’s songs.
Similarly Kishore fans don’t like Abhijeet who sings Kishore songs well, no doubt he can’t
sing them with that perfection but good just like Sonu. I think that’s the reason you prefer
Udit. May be I am wrong, just thinking why do you always comment and fight over the
Singers and not just simply lsit and listen. You know “Little Knowledge is Dangerous” can
be a reason.
Sir mohanflora thanks for link,no need 2 say u know much more than me about Mohd rafi,I read a long time(around 20 years ago)Lata said that If some one ask her who is u r fav singer it will be easyest Q for her because he is Mohd Rafi.
dear Messi,
No one can write bad about Mohd Rafi because he was a great singer and greater human,As Mohd Rafi fans i don’t like when some one say that any singer can sing better than Mohd Rafi because it is not true,If we say that the singer was not trained dear Messi there are many trained singer (manny Dey,SPB and many more)but they said that Mohd Rafi is the best,Dear Messi no one in world will be the number one if he or she didn’t work hard in anything,
Dear Messi Indain are lucky that they have Mohd Rafi there is no one than Mohd Rafi who is the best singer out of India If u ask any one he or she is not Indain but he know Urdu and Hindi most of them like Mohd Rafi more than there local singers.
I am a fan of Hindi film music and over the years have liked the songs of almost all singers. I am a fan of Rafi and KK and enjoy listening to both their songs. However, as a music lover ( or as my ears, heart or mind respond) I find myself prefering Rafi’s style/voice as better than KK’s. Similarly, I like the songs of both Sonu Nigam and Udit Narayan. But I find myself veering more towards Udit Narayan because I find his style of singing better than Sonu’s. To each his own. I hope I have made myself clear and I have not said anything against KK or Sonu.
Yes Harvinder, very true. Rafi is God’s gift ot us. I feel it, that’s why I respect him. You
never see me writting something against him, I can’t do that because he is simply the best.
But being a Rafi fan, does it mean that I have to say the limitations of other singers ?
Do I have to prove the greatness of Rafi by saying “this is not cup of tea for any other
singer” to take him ahead of others ? No, I don’t have to. The people who claim to be
“Rafians” love Rafi, does it mean a Rafian can’t love other singers like Mukesh but only Rafi ?
If Rafians can salute Rafi, can’t they salute Mukesh as well ? They never say anything against
Mukesh, why they always say about Kishore ? Nobody said Kishore is better, it’s they who
said Rafi is better than Kishore everytime they create a topic, I think they take Kishore is the
only challenge to Rafi. I haven’t seen a Kishore fan saying anything against Rafi, never.
If I see, I will go against them.
About your query, RDB got both Rafi and Kishore to sing that song. I don’t know if he went
to Kishore and asked to improve it. But everybody with a slight taste in music will say
Kishore did better job, If Rafi does better job in some other song I will say he has done
better. Moreover, the lyrics is different. Only the first paragraph is same, the rest is
different. Might be Rafi took it as romantic tune and Kishore took it as sad tune. I am not
sure about yr allegation, but which sounds better is what I thought. Is there any way to
make that song better if you can’t sing better or good at least ?
I know about the comments of Naushad, SDB on Rafi and Kishore. That’s true, I know
Kishore was not classically trained so I can’t expect everything from him unlike in Rafi case.
Another Great MD Salil Chowdhury said: In early or middle 80’s he prefered Yesudas for
classical songs not Kishore. But u see when it comes to talking about all time greatest
singers(male) of India first Rafi, Kishore, Mukesh & Manna will come. All will follow after that.
The same MD said: “Kishore could easily take the place occupied by Rafi if he was classically
trained”. That means what ? he said: “Nobody can replace Rafi because he is the best but
It’s Kishore who could replace him if had learnt classical music also other than learning from
Radio”.
Dear Flora,
That topic is closed now, why ? because of the comments against them both Rafi and
Kishore. Which one came first ? Some people criticised Kishore and then some other
Started criticising Rafi, then it followed. Who is responsible ? I don’t write anything against
Rafi and neither do I let you write against any other legend.
Dear Unknown,
I know the comments made by those great MDs are true, I have already mentioned my
views regarding them. A Rafi site does allow you to write good about Rafi, does it allow you
to write bad about Kishore which you think is good about Rafi ? morever I don’t think I
have written anything bad about Rafi, so should I get any warning for that ?
With regards
Thanks unknown1 for the response.
KK himself was a great fan of Rafisaab as can be seen from this clip:
” Kishore Kumar had once written a letter in Filmfare proclaiming that he was also a Rafi fan.” taken from Rafi: A tribute to the legend in
http://www.newsindia.com/breaking_news/42094.asp
thanks mohanflora,
we will not do the same mistake again thanks for u great work, because KK fans they can’t writing anything at KK site,I hope that at KK site Administrator will allowed them 2 write.
dear Messi ,
I don’t think that u r music lover,if u r really music lover u shoud know that it is not KK cup of tea said by all time great MD SJ not fro Mohd Rafi fans.
I don’t want to compare singer like Mohd Rafi with any one,
about Rafi Gharana i hope u listened what said by Manny dey about Rafi Gharana,
Mohd Rafi was a singer as i know when u go to lean music they will not teach u Yoodle and Mohd Rafi did Yoodle if am not wrong before KK,Amit kummar do the yoodle as did by KK and many more.
when people speak about KK they say that KK is great singer or good or but when they speak about Mohd Rafe they say he is the best singer ever born in bollywood.
also KK fans said that Manny Dey said there is no one like KK yes offourse there is no one who has four wifes and become muslim to marry and changed his name,
You are lauging? Let me tickle you more. Are yaara, o dildaara (see I don’t hate Kishore afterall), one u said u worship kishore, u worship rafi, next you say for my kind info u r not a kishore fan or rafi fan. hmmmm. Apun bole tho Rafi ka bhakht. Isliye hun mohdrafi ke site mein. Ap logan tho man na man oops.. maan na maan apun tera mehmaan karke ghusjate ho rafi ke site mein. Debate? touba touba. Ham tho bahut chote insaan hai, aap tho purush nahin, mahapurush (or stree) ho. apun ki aisi aukat kahan re.. (in kaka style).
Dear friends,
Don’t fall into the same trap as some of us fell in the Rafi-Kishore saga page and the posts had to be blocked(temporarily I hope,or till better sense prevails).There is nothing biased in this article. Only songs of Rafi have been given in which he has yodelled brilliantly. This is a mohdrafi site and the writer has tried to bring out an aspect of Rafi’s singing which many did not know about and also to silence some who said that yodelling was the domain of KK only. By the time KK blossomed as a singer/yodeller Rafi had put his yodelling behind him and moved on to the finer aspects of playback singing. Liking Rafi or KK is a personal point and no one can force his liking on anyone else -Just as they say beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder-same for the ears of the listeners). Some try to show that they are music lovers and are fans of both Rafi and KK and the next moment they show their true colors. Please, this is a site dedicated to the memory of Rafisaab and sanctum of the site should be maintained.Lets not get back into the cesspool again.There is also a sister site dedicated to KK for KK fans.
This is for Messi.
Well written ! Both side fans are so fanatically attached to their favourite singer that they get carried away to the extent of claiming their favourite as the best. Although you have repeatededly called both as great. One very interesting comment you made by comparing one particular song “Tum bin Jaaoon Kahan”. I agree with you here that, atleast for a common listener like me, Kishore sa sounds better. Can you verify to me if RD Burman got this song recorded on Rafi Sahab first and then very unscruplously gave the spool/cassete to Kishore da to improve on it. With SJ, KA,LP and SD around, RD Burman had to come up with some innovation to establish himself. He surely succeeded big time. If this allegation is true, then in my opinion, Kishore da should not get credit for that particular song being better.
I have immense regard for Kishore da’s singing and acting abilities, but to me Rafi as a singer and as a human being is God’s gift to us.
Hurt ? Nope, nope, nope. Actually, I am laughing at the comments. You know sometimes it’s
funny to know unthoughtful thinkings. I think I have made a logical post which compelled you
to write something and you are trying to hide yr sentiment by another silly comment. Right ?
I will definitely thank and congratulate you for writing such articles where I find many facts
But do you think I won’t criticise you ? I will definitely do it when I see ridiculous statements.
You people think: praising Rafi and criticising Kishore will make Rafi greater, how shame.
It seems you are gracing them. Hahahahaha !!!
Tell me your musical knowledge(don’t bother to say you are a great listener) and age.
For your kind information, I am not a Kishore or Rafi fan. I love music and listen to them
and not to comment on them. Don’t call me on a debate, you will be defeated.
I am feeling sorry cause I am indirectly commenting on Rafi and Kishore which is not my
Intention.
With regards
P.S. Just a question, can anybody please tell me about Rafi Gharana ? What it is ?
Good article. Loved it. Kishore fans are hurt as they lost the only blowing trumphet they had. Does it hurt Messi?
Excellent writeup, nicely written but biased articles. I am talking about
“Rafi and “Yodeling”, “Rafi and Kishore Saga”. Some people are just
prejudiced. Some favor Rafi and some Kishore, why ? I have read the comments
On the other article too, what kind of comments it got, it seems Rafi and Kishore
are not the bests. These people are the bests, best in Commenting. I don’t compare
them. They are great singers. You have closed the other one from commenting, you
think you will be putting such posts and no one will object ? What’s the intention of
writing such things ? trying to prove the greatness of your favorite singers and limitations
of others ? Only point, you have shown respect to Kishore when he Criticised
the criticism of jagjit Singh about Rafi Gharana. Some people say: “Chahoonga
main tujhe”, “Kya hua tera wada” kind of songs are not Kishore’s cup of tea and some
people say “O Majhi re”, “Chingadi koi bhadke” kind of songs of are not Rafi’s cup
of tea. What it is ? Why people try to be over smart ? and think others will praise them
if they write such articles. Only Comparing & Criticism, huh ? another thing, I have listened
to the song “Tum bin jaaoon kahaan” and to be honest, it’s easy to say that Kishore’s version
is better. It’s very clear that you are just inclined to Rafi. I worship Rafi and I worship Kishore
I don’t feel good when people praise one and ignore the other. I have learnt not to
compare them but just love them and their songs. I am sorry to everyone and also the
author, but I just don’t understand why do you write such things: wanna laugh at
Kishore and his fans ? Oops.
I am sorry my dear friends, may be I will be banned after this. I am really, but one
request: next time you write these, various stories about them. I would definitely
read. But one request, if you praise one and criticise others then try accept various
comments you will be having. I appologize from my heart so write what I didnt want to.
Thank you
Dear Proud Rafians,
My homage to this Ocean of Music.
Cheers
Pravin.
Dear RAFIANS,
Now do you realize what exactly YODELLING is and how it was pertained by singers like KK ….
RAFI SAHAB always gave a time shot when he did YODELLING …. Repeatitive actions always bores .. and that RAFI SAHAB did yodelling when it was required……..
I am also thankful to MOHAN FLORA SIR who gave me a fantastic YODELLING song few days ago.
MOHAN FLORA SIR THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
RAFI SAHAB – WE MISS YOU AND LOVE AND RESPECT YOU……
TUMSA NA KOI HAIN … TUMSA NA KOI PAIDA HOGA….
Regards
Sagar
This is really unbelievable, Pradeep you are really grt fan of Rafi Sahab who has cum with such rare beautiful songs.
I wud suggest all KK fans to go and ask Asha if this is really Rafi who is doing yodeling and find the live evidence of Rafi’s greatness. I think everyone of us really luv Rafi so much that it hurts everyone of his fan when somebody compares him with other singers.
rafi saab……farishta indeed.
Dear friends,
Yodelling may have some commercial value in film music but it has no place in good music. Some of you are trying to establish who can do bad things better in music. Rafians should not be trapped into this discussion. Further, Rafi did yodelling at KK’s infant(singing) stage. Many people are not aware of this fact. KK persuded yodelling throughou his singing carier and Rafi never gave importance to yodelling as he had many other good singing carishma in his folder.
Thanks Pradeep for the four songs in which Rafi Sahab has done yodeling. I really enjoyed listening to those; it is some thing atypical of Rafi songs, although a tiny deal for him. May be some other time I will discuss on the technical aspects of yodeling. I mean how far it conforms to the norms of Music.
Mohanflora, the link is updated. Thanks for informing about the dead link.
Dear Administrator,
I am unable to hear the 4 th. song in the segment -punjabi yodel ! Error 404 shows up. HELP does not help. Please advice!
Dear Anmol,
Thanks for making it a sound so easy with your Zee news segment. Even I can yodel! I used to sing KK’s song from Maryada “”Ga Ga Ga Ga Gusa itna haseen hai to pyar kaise hoga. yoodleeyooooo, yoodleeyooo” and won fans in REC, 1977. KK fans were adamant to show that only KK could do it-that is why hearing Rafi yodelling on this site I am elated.Here in the West no one bothers about it. I had sent a song to Sagar and other Rafians,” Dil ke aine mein” from the film Aao Pyar Karen (music Usha Khanna)which in itself was a soft appealing song but Rafi did Yodelling in the last 30 seconds and it is the original type normally done in the canyons and passes of the Alps.
Please keep up your good posts,Anmol.
Dear Mohan,
Yodeling as such is no big deal. It’s just a matter of practice, majority of KK fans have 100% mastery in this art. Last week there was a programme in Zee News in which majority of KK fans could yodel with not much of a difficulty.
Dear Pradeepji,
Thanks….Thanks ….Thanks … jitna kahoon utne hi kam hai!
You have made my day by giving the above songs. Never thought I could get to listen to Reporter Raju song again.
Also, it is a big SLAP on the face of avi-shanker and other KK fans, on the Rafi-Kishore saga page(on this site), who were making such a cry about KK’s yodel.
Thanks again for the good work and this great piece. Rafians can feel more emboldened and proud.
Mohan
THANKS FOR SONGS,
God made one earth one sun and one Mohd Rafi.