True Voice – Mohd Rafi
The following article was brought to my notice when Sharad posted it on MAS. The article has been trimmed down a bit keeping afloat Rafi details. However, anyone interested can go visit the source at http://tfmpage.com/forum/4980.6302.04.57.19.html
I am Swaminatha Iyer and I am 78 years old. I hail from Tiruchi and I am a part of music associations in Tiruchi, M’as as well as in West Bengal and Maharashtra.
I think it is wrong to condemn music or artists on either side of Vindhyas. Our Indian music is one of the few which has not been cleaned off by the western music though there has always been a influence. It speaks a lot of the richness of our music. Sometime back director of MTV had said that MTV westernized the music wherever it went but in India , MTV had to be Indianized for it to be accepted. A lot of this credit goes to the Indian film music.
I have been fortunate to have close personal association with Rafi, Sirkali, TMS, Dr. BMK, Kishore, SPB & KJY, PS, Mannadey and the one and only Lata Mangeshkar.
Comparisons are bound to come, but almost every artist or I have met considers Lata to be beyond comparison. Her talents are beyond anyone’s reach. Even Sirkazi used to talk of her singing like a die-hard fan as do countless others.
Now coming to the Rafi-SPB discussion. It might be difficult to convince an South Indian to believe Rafi is the better and at the same time Rafi crowd will never believe any other male singer comes anywhere nearer. There is one more mobile crowd, which is well conversant with Hindi and some south Indian language. Majority of them tilt to either Rafi or Kishore.
During one of my stays in M’as I had stayed with SPB. While talking of true voices he said, I don’t feel like half a singer when listening to Rafi. True voice is not a tech term but many in circle use it. Perfect example would be lata, but to understand consider our own PS who within her range is superb. People who do not have such true voices can never do justice to original. They generally underplay many parts of the song or fake it with bass/superficial singing. True voices make people like Sirkazi, Nusrat Fateh Ali khan, Lata… Inimitable. However since Sirkazi and Nusrat did not have the filmy voices their “real” following is limited to their local arena.
In addition to the true voice if the singer has a very good voice then in “most” cases he/she can better songs of others. It is this combination which makes Rafi stand out among the other male singers. There are many here who seem to have mistaken notions on a good bass and also on high pitch.
Bryan Adams does not require a monster bass in “Summer of 69” to sound real manly. It is the punch which gives that feel and that is decided only by the comfort level in most ranges (that is by what your throat can support). This you CAN never disguise with bass. Since people have talked about lack of manly voice viz. a viz. Rafi it was necessary to bring this point out. I have had the fortune of listening to most singers in studio and some times without a mike, practicing with MD’s.When Lata or Rafi do, the level is so high that people hesitate to even hum. It felt silly to sing in their presence (and it feels silly when someone says his voice isn’t manly).
In RD’s tribute when SPB sang “Aaja Aaja mein hoon” or “Chaand mera dil” it sounded only sweet and lacked punch if you compare with Rafi’s original.
Yesu once told me God has been partial to Rafi. He said “god gift term anavasyamaa romba common aa ippo use aardu”.. but idu Rafi kee thaan 100% porundu”. This person could sing “as intricately as a lady without sounding thin”, “cover any mood”, “versatility odey perfect example Rafi”. Yesu said most important is the comfort level over ranges which makes you feel God has been partial to Rafi. (But Of course in Rafi’s early career (1950’s) the voice was relatively feeble).
To people exposed to Rafi’s talent, these or any amount of praise can only seem less. I just wish he was alive and you people could get a live chance to hear him. Probably you can get hold of the DD album for the Geet Gaata Chal series where the first four episodes were dedicated to Rafi. Rafi is on camera singing “O Duniya Ke Rakwaaley” and many other songs. If you see and hear the last part you will realize why SPB said “impossible”. I think particularly those people who have talked about scales w.r.t Rafi should see this album. Its a known fact in industry that Rafi ruled high pitch and there is no male singer better in switching notes so easily. There are artists who can go beyond but then they sound strained or they don’t have pleasant voices when they venture into those territories.
Many singers of today are his compulsive followers. But they end up inheriting only part of his quality. Md. Aziz ended up with a sad voice. Mahendra Kapoor with a thick nasal voice. Anwar with a nasal voice. Sonu Nigam with a feminine voice. Rafi neither had a soft voice nor a heavy (bass) voice he had a good voice. Importantly did not strain at high notes, and voice if at all only became better at higher notes. If you see him singing it will remind you of Janaki. However diff the song is or the note is he will be smiling and singing. It is unthinkable that he cannot sing something.
There seems to be lot of talk about “Shankara Bharanamo” song. SPB has sung many a great numbers and things being said about this song in this forum are rather amusing, particularly b’cos 3 out of 4 people who can be called as singers will be able sing it and at least one out of 10 will sing it with the same effect. There are lot of other songs of SPB where this great singer has played with songs in total control. You will find most south Indian singers who have had a good exposure say that it is beneficial to learn Hindustani as it gives better breath control and improves expression.
Rafi was not only able to glide over a song, the important thing was that he could express each word/sound when singing. It is one thing to hold your breath, start and reach a crescendo (high note), as like in “Shankara”, “Anbey (Yennai kaan villaye)” it is different ballgame if you have to do it from low notes or suddenly switch notes. With practice the former can be done, latter requires a special gift. Rafi had a natural ability to do the latter. In “Tum joh mil gaye ho” there is such a transition in the “karwaan mil gaya” part. I have never seen anyone do justice to most of his songs in my life time. In “parda hai parda” quawaali the similar part is “kar doon to, Akbar mera naam”. In fact most of his songs will have these specialty as it was his natural ability to sing freely in a wide range at the same time giving that extra expression.
Whereas SPB takes us to heavens with “Idu oru pon maali”,”Ilaya nila” “bisiladarenu”(kannada), when he sings Rafi’s song it lacks the punch or expression, though it has the bass. But at least most agree that SPB does some justice to original, whereas most others murder the original.
One trivial point I would like to add is that singing in Hindi is harder. There are more “JHA”,”CHA”,”HA”,”THA”, “KHA”,”JA”,”FA”. These take away the breath faster. The more expressive you are the more air you are using up. Just singing from Nabhi will not help, your throat also needs to do a lot, for singing in Hindi, Bengali etc. SPB makes you fall in love with his south Indian songs but same cannot be said about his Hindi songs. If you just glide through words having these sounds, you will never be expressive. Doing this as well as reaching high notes is not easy. Rafi had this gift and that’s why it is difficult to imagine anyone else in his shoes. Song “Chalkaaye jaam” has so much expression that it is unthinkable how anyone can sing it. When Rafi switches to a high note with “Mitwaa” in the song “Chaahunga mein tughey” you cannot replicate it with bass. Most others will sound as if they are shouting in such cases. That man’s throat had the ability to freely sing at such levels.
Versatility is not just the ability to sing in various styles, more important is how good you are singing in those styles. You have lot of Ghazal singers today but when Rafi sings a Ghazal you will sit up and take notice. You don’t have to be part of the Ghazal listeners crowd. This is one important aspect. Whatever style you sing you should be able to pull the common man to listen and not just a particular crowd. Pick “parda hai parda” or any qawalli and it will stand tall among other qawalli’s.
Variety is amazing :
songs of Guru Dutt’s Khagaz key phool or songs like abhi naa jao chod key, Aaja teri yaad aayi, Aaj kal mein dhal gaya, Aaj kal terey merey pyaar, Aasmaan sey aaya farishta, Dil ney pyaar kiya hai, Deewana mujh saa nahi, Din dhal jaaye, Duniya paagal hai, Jaane walon jara, Dil joh na kaha saka, Dil key jharokon mein, Dil kaa bhavar, Chalkey teri aakkhon sey, Kar chaley hum fida, khilona jaan kar tum, Woh jab yaad aay, Woh hain jara khafa, Vaadian mera daaman, Pathar key sanam, Chaand mera dil, Main zindagi kaa saath, Mainey poocha chaand sey, sun sun jaalima, Koi jab raah na paay, hum to chaley pardes, badan pey sitaarey, laal chadi maidaan, Tum jo mil gaye, O meri shaahey, Sau baar janam lengey, Tum mujhey yoon bhula, Tumney mujhey dekha, Terey merey sapney, Tumny pukaara hum chaley aay
Name a situation/mood and Rafi’s song will be there on the top.
Swami
Tirwedi and Bharti & others
Please do not build up cooked up stories. Just remember the comments of hindi music directors, anil biswas, salil chowdary, C R, Pancham etc. considering rafi as not a singer or ok singer. And know how kishore rendered andaz songs MD was shankar jai kishan and Regarding ghantasala there is no short of breath in his songs – he was genius, you all are uttering lies. Just see post 398 in “divine voice of devotional kishore” blog where in you will know how shankar jai kishan fell flat after recording a song with ghantasala in their music direction.
Dear adarneeya bhagchandani ji
Your dear hans is always making wrong analysis. First he wrote all lies on ghantasala whom he did not know even. Now he comes up with a foolish analysis of our posts being written by Mr. Abhishek, hope you have not seen our clarifications above.
Mr. Hans (Post 2901):
Absolutely brilliant analysis. Please accept by compliments. It was nothing short of sting operation. No wonder these KK fans are dumb-struck by this exposure.
J.K. Bhagchandani
Maha Devika ji,
I have been reading all your posts with great interest. Your knowledge and choice of songs, their analysis is indeed brilliant.
One request: Please write a regular article for this web site. It will indeed be a wonderful and an apt thing by a great Rafi-fan like you. We all look forward to the same.
-J.K. Bhagchandani
This tirwedi is building up stories, where is ghantasala short of breath in the classical song, are your ears properly working tirwedi ji. Do not resort to lies to support rafi, which you cannot hide.
Mr. Tirwedi, Ahmad kutty ji and others
Kishore kumar did not get any award due to his straight forwardness and politics involved, which all know. Keeping this in view, let people talk about awards. Just hear rafi’s song zindagi ek safar hai suhana or other duets with kishore kumar – kishore kumar songs are more attractive – the andaz song kishore rendered it brilliantly – so called shankar jai kishan why they did not prefer rafi ? Coming to ghantasala, they are really honest – they responsded honestly to zaheendanish with truth nothing to hide. If such some point comes against rafi, you will all built up cooked up stories – do not forget that it was kishore who overtook rafi.
Mr. Hans, Post 2901.
Brilliant observation indeed. You really have an eagle’s eye.
Thank you very much.
Regards.
Witnessing all above posts of Maha Devika Ji, Raam Krishna Bharti ji, Rajinder Kumar Tirwedi ji, Roop Kumar Santoshi ji, Millan Raaj Shaalinder ji and Amal Rajinder ji is more than enough substance to declare Mohd. Rafi sahab, the greatest among all Indian Playback singers, King of Melody, Monarch of Music World and a Genius of entertainment industry without any doubt.
Long live Rafi Sahab.
ALL THESE SHOWS THAT RAFI SAHAB ALSO RULED IN 40’S, WHICH SHOWS HIS SPAN OF KINGDOM WAS FROM 1940-1980, NERALY 5 DECADES.
1946 SONGS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWi8AUjA-OQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_8TfsTrX0s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjz7KJTY5oU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL_iM0mjdzM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3DzAMhngnI&feature=related
1947 SONGS
‘DUNIYA MEY MERI AAJ”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX-BGx153dg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xiZqLfOKrE&feature=related
FEW MORE 1948 SONGS OF RAFI SAHAB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGjT9knscD0&feature=related
‘Mujhe tumse mohabbat hai’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf0EKikobCw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlaqCK8C3vM&feature=related
1950 SONG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHzmwhcwVEE&feature=related
ANOTHER GEM OF RAFI SAHAB FROM 1948
‘Tere nazdeek jaate hai’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAB3NowsuOc&feature=related
HERE IS RAFI SAHAB 1946 SONG.
‘Zindagi ki raah mein’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEYY9LwJgnU&feature=related
NOTICE THE TAAN AT THE END OF THE SONG SO PECULIAR TO RAFI’S SINGING.
“Mohabbat mein khudaya”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmkiEGrKGZU&feature=related
RAFI SAHAB 1948 SONG, THE TASTE AND PLEASURE OF RAFI SAHAB VOICE IS SO MUCH THERE.
rAFI SAHAB 1944 SONG.
HIS FIRST HINDI FILM.
“ek baar unhe mila de phir meri tauba moula”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cikNYYT8Ac&feature=related
KK WALAS. LISTEN TO THE BEST SONG OF 1974.
AND THIS IS SUNG BY RAFI SAHAB. WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THIS ONE, CAN YOU BRING THE SAME YEAR SONG OF SHORR- KUMAR TO COMPETE THIS BRILLIANT GEM OF RAFIJI.
“Apni Aankhon Mein Basa Kar”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEd6JIaXtRU
moderator ji i spent so much time to present to rafi fans, few of my favorite songs and ghazals of rafiji, but you have not included my post here. this is not fair. plz publish my previous writing here.
“Khamosh zindagi ko awaz de rahe ho”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOMZLxpcvnQ&feature=related
heard this ghazal for the first time, and i spontaneously started crying, the pathos in rafi voice is phenomenal, such is the impact of his rich, velvety voice.
i can not find appropriate words to praise this great singer.
“Koi mujh se pooche ke tum mere kya ho”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzjzHCtt_qA&feature=fvwrel
Such a delicately hummed melody, hitherto the impact is enormous. that is the phenomenon of this sensational voice.
mAHDEVIKA JI!
at this young age, your taste for the songs is amazing. God bless you. keep the good work, be sincere to your profession, respect your elders, keep loving and learning from the institution of singing, mr muhammad rafi sahab, you shall surely progress. wishing you a prosperous musical life.
LET ME ALSO ADD ONE OF MY MOST FAVORITE GHAZAL OF RAFI SAHAB, GIVING MY SHARE IN THIS DISCUSSION ALSO
” I PRESENT TO YOU ONE OF THE BESTS FIMI-GHAZAL OF MUHAMMAD RAFI SAHAB.
“Kya yunhi rooth ke jaane ko muhabat ki thi”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6p-ylR6v_k&feature=related
while singing a gazal,,singers sives too many un necessary taans and raaga,because of which theme? of lyrics misses out & listener says wah wah to singer,,,
but hardly someone rather no one other Rafi sahab could do that much justice with words of poetry,,every words uttered by Rafi sahab has an individual feeling,,,,its like flowing in the ocean of Rafi sahab`s voice
“POOCH NA MUJH SE”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhP9Iv54LGw&feature=related
“KASH KHWABON ME HI AJAWO, BOHOT TUNHA HO”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZEcaElty8s&feature=related
RAFI SAHAB SINGING WITHOUT MUSIC, SHOWING HIS VOICE DOES NOT NEED ANY MUSIC TO COMPLIMENT, HIS BRILLIANT VOICE, WHAT A SWEET VOICE, HONEY HI HONEY, SUGAR HI SUGAR
“WOH AJJ APNI MEHFIL MEY AYE HUWEY HEYN”
“ZINDAGI KE SAFAR MEY”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlj-uXPzj3Y&feature=related
“IS DIL SEY TERI YAAD.” 1949 SONG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfY2DhwicmE&feature=related
“Ae watan ae watan humko teri qasam”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCFnviDFk-w&feature=related
“KAR CHALLEY HUM FIDA”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_17oJhR3Zs&feature=related
“BAPO KI YE AMAR KAHANI”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uUT8elcer4&feature=related
“AKELE HEYN CHALLEY AWO”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn5V4MDpv7A&feature=related
“Tum Jo Mil Gaye Ho ”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjeoo6ptvPQ&feature=related
“Kitni Rahat hai dil ”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKvCmyEVSsM
“Ek Hi Baat Zamane Ki”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC09jIESHU8&feature=related
“Na Kisiki Aankh Ka Noor Hoon” SINGING WITHOUT MUSIC, NOTICE THE CHARM OF RAFI SAHAB VOICE, OUT OF THIS WORD, DIVINE INDEED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLM-Wvky7Gg&feature=related
Hear this marvelous ghazal of legendry rafiji and enjoy.
kuch tumne badnaam kiya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_KT-2-QFvw
non-filmi song of rafi sahab.
this was his first non filmi song recorded and played in 1945.
what a beautiful melody, the extreme despair in the voice is noticeable.
a well-trained voice. even at this tender age, rafi sahab doing magic in this song, depicting a man in extreme distress, look at the change of notes, so smooth, so gradual, so gorgeous, yet maintains all the sweetness that has been the very characteristics of rafi sahab’s vocals. just brilliant. breath taking performance, and still some jokers think rafiji voice was not rich in his early days singing. what else an example they need that they are wrong as always while criticizing the legendary rafi sahab.
thats why i am re sending, it again. kindly forgive me for this repetition.
sorry forgot the link to my above post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7zzzGeBA1I
non-filmi song of rafi sahab.
this was his first non filmi song recorded and played in 1945.
what a beautiful melody, the extreme despair in the voice is noticeable.
a well-trained voice. even at this tender age, rafi sahab doing magic in this song, depicting a man in extreme distress, look at the change of notes, so smooth, so gradual, so gorgeous, yet maintains all the sweetness that has been the very characteristics of rafi sahab’s vocals. just brilliant. breath taking performance, and still some jokers think rafiji voice was not rich in his early days singing. what else an example they need that they are wrong as always while criticizing the legendary rafi sahab.
Our most loved singer rafi sahab song of 1947.
His voice is so rich, melodious and sweet even his earlier age
Sawan ki ghatao dheere dheere aana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzCTb2Y0-GI
Between 1950 and 1970, Rafi was one of the most sought after singers in Bollywood.
In 1965, he was honoured by the Government of India with the Padma Sri award.
Awards; * 2001 – Rafi was honored with the “best singer of the millennium” by Hero Honda and Stardust magazine in Mumbai on Jan 7, 2001.
Government Awards; * 15Th Aug 1947 – Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru given hug after his song * 1948 – Rafi received a silver medal from the Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, on the first anniversary of the Indian Independence Day. * 1965 – he was honoured with the Padmashri by the Government of India.
National Film Awards; * 1968 – National Award for Best Male Playback Singer for Neel Kamal composed by Ravi Shankar. * 1977 – National Film Award for Best Male Playback Singer for “Kya Hua Tera Wada” song in the film Hum Kisi Se Kum Nahin), composed by RD Burman, lyrics by Majrooh Sultanpuri.
Filmfare Awards; * 1960 – Filmfare Best Male Playback Award for “Chaudhvin Ka Chand Ho” in the film Chaudhvin Ka Chand * 1961 – Filmfare Best Male Playback Award for “Teri Pyaari Pyaari Surat Ko” in the film Sasural * 1964 – Filmfare Best Male Playback Award for “Chahunga Mein Tujhe” in the film Dosti * 1966 – Filmfare Best Male Playback Award for “Baharo Phool Barsao” in the film Suraj * 1968 – Filmfare Best Male Playback Award for “Dil Ke Jharoke Mein” in the film Brahmachari * 1977 – Filmfare Best Male Playback Award for “Kya Hua Tera Vaada” in the film Hum Kisi Se Kum Nahin
ENTIRELY FOR RAFI SAHAB ADMIRERS.
JUST RELISH THIS MELODY, HOW RAFI SAHAB STANDS OUT IN THIS DUET WITH LATA, PURELY BY THE EXCEPTIONAL LEXES OF WORDS.
RAFI IS NOTICEABLY MORE EXPRESSIVE IN THIS SONG ALSO, AS IN ALL OF HIS DUETS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAq6R5JYZX0
AN EAYE OPENER FOR SALA SAHAB FANS, THIS IS HOW “RAAG DURBARI” IS SUNG, THE SINGER IS NEVER BREATHLESS IN THIS SONG, WHILE SALA IS IN SIVA SINKARI SONG. A MUST LISTEN AND EYE OPENER FOR THE SALANS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEi1CxNTMQI
iF YOU REALLY WANT TO HEAR BEST RENDITION OF RAG “DARBARI”, LISTEN TO THIS, THESE SINGERS ARE NOT BREATHLESS ANYWHERE, LIKE SALA SAHAB. ALAAPS DEPICTING THE TRUE ESSENCE OF THE RAAG.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEMU-EBOlls
Even sala sahab is short of breath in his “so-called” best telugu song, he definitely does not have a decent breath, that’s why in order to obscure his this greatest weakness, he is humming the song in very short stanzas. Whenever a long stanza is required to be sung, he would have been very well exposed, but since he was an M.D. himself, he would compose songs in such a way that his fault is not revealed to the listener. Likewise more voices are added to camouflage the imperfection in his voice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h52bKVbvfMg
Rafi sahab can never be matched by this mediocre & ordinary native, local singer. Rafi is considerably ahead of all of them and not in their barest imaginations, can they compete with rafi’s stature.
Rafi sahab is the perkiest stellar in the panorama of indian music industry.
Rafi fans enjoys this song, others keep covetous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhQEOuyWEG4
Even sala sahab is short of breath in his “so-called” best telugu song, he definitely does not have a decent breath, that’s why in order to obscure his this greatest weakness, he is humming the song in very short stanzas. Whenever a long stanza is required to be sung, he would have been very well exposed, but since he was an M.D. himself, he would compose songs in such a way that his fault is not revealed to the listener. Likewise more voices are added to camouflage the imperfection in his voice.
Rafi sahab can never be matched by this mediocre & ordinary native, local singer. Rafi is considerably ahead of all of them and not in their barest imaginations, can they compete with rafi’s stature.
Rafi sahab is the perkiest stellar in the panorama of indian music industry.
Rafi fans enjoys this song, others keep covetous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhQEOuyWEG4
dear kishorefan (2872)
i did not mention anything about the respectful gantasaji’s
national awards.nor i did not give any importance to yesudasji.
both of them are vary trained and masters in their respective
fields.i have mentioned about kk who could not bagg even a
single national award.even regional level so many junior
singers got national awards for play back singing and you
gentlemen trying to project kk superior to rafi saab.i believe
kk cannot reach atleast 40% what rafi saab achieved.he is
not only the choice of millions of music lovers but the the
choice of almost all play back singers of india.you know
rafi saab performed live programmes in small towns of
kerala in addition to big cities like trivandrum,calicut and
cochin eventhough he did not sing a single song in malyalam
language and at the same time kk sought the help of kjy
to perform a stage programme in cochin.kk had sung a
song for a malayalam movie.one another gentleman was
telling the “who popular site” is a boggus one since rafi saab
got more the 1,20,000 votes at the same time kk got only
less than 17,000 votes.in the film ‘muqadar ka sikandar’
kk sung a duet song with lataji “salaami ishque meri jaan”
and lataji sung it well but if we hear the lines of kk we will
get defenitley head ache.in one comment Mr.bagchandaani
give some lists of songs of rafi saab to make a list of same
type of songs of kk and nobody replied so far.is there any
songs of kk equal to rafi saab’s following songs:
oh duniyaa ke rakwaale
madhubhan me raadhikaa nachere
kar chale hum fizaa
aaj meri yaad ki shaadhee hai
babul ki duaaen letee jaa
pardhaa hei pardhaa
rang our noor kee bhaaraath kise pese karoom
tum jo mil gaye ho
man mora bhaavraa (sung for kk)
as the “hero honda singer of the millennium” rafi saab is far
ahead of any indian singer and you kk fans are telling rafi
saab got chances during 1970 – 80 because of the generosity
of kk.it is an insult not only to rafi saab but the entire film
industry of india since rafi saab is one of the causes to make
the film music division in such a shape.
GHANTASALA IS EXTREMELY SHORT OF BREATH AND THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT LATE 60 OR 70’S SONG. THIS IS A BLACK AND WHITE SONG AND ITS A 50’S SONG, PERHAPS. INFACT THIS IS THE GREAT WEAKNESS DEPICTED IN GHANTASALA VOICE, AND THIS WEAKNESS IN HINDI “SUB GHANTASALANS KEY KOSHISHEYN NAKAAM HOGAYEE”, TO PROVE THAT THIS LOCAL TELUGU SINGER IS SOME GREAT SINGER, THE BIGGEST WEAKNESS. IT SEEMS AS AN ASTHMATIC IS SINGING A SONG AND THAT TOO WHILE THAT SINGER IS IN A “STATUS ASTHMATICUS”. IN THAT PARTICULAR MEDICAL EMERGENCY, ONE CAN NOT COMPLETE THE SONG, AS GHANTASALA IS STRUGGLING HARD TO SING THIS SONG. THE GREATEST SINGER rAFI SAHAB VOICE REMAINED MELODIOUS, SUREELI, SWEETY AND AS VELVETY IN HIS LAST DAYS OF HIS LIFE, AS IT WAS IN HIS TENDER AGE. THAT WAS THE GREATNESS OF RAFI SAHAB. HE HAD GREAT BREATH. SALANS WEAKNESS IS NO OBVIOUS, IT IS ALSO EXPOSED IN SIVA SANKARI SONG BY SHRI MUSHARAF. KK IS NO SINGER, NICKNAMED “SHORR KUMAR”
LINK TO BREATHLESS SALAN IS HERE, READERS TO JUDGE THEIRSELF. WHAT THEY ARE CALLING A GREAT SINGER IS SINGIN SO PATHETICALLY.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaXnm1EqNhY&feature=related
MANNADAY,” KISHORE KUMAR WAS NOT CONSIDERED EVEN A SINGER IN THE MUSICAL CIRCLES & HE WAS NICKNAMED “SHOR-KUMAR”
RAFI IS THE UNIVERSITY OF SINGING AND THESE “TOM, DICK AND HARRY”, ARE THE FAILED STUDENTS OF THAT UNIVERSITY, RAFI SAHAB IS THE ULTIMATE KING OF SINGING & IS THE BEST SINGER IN THE HISTORY OF SUBCONTINENT. ALL OF THESE CLOWNS MUST BURN IN THEIR JEALOUSY.
Zaheendanish
That was not weakness, it was a respiratory problem – true, for some songs as Raj had quoted from early 70’s it can be seen. But even with that voice he was matchless in that industry till his death.
So Hans has not identified us as he is a new comer to this site. We invite hans to kishore forum for discussions so that he will know us better.
Sandeepshrivastav.post 2909.
you people have been proved “fibs”. One more thing, can’t any other person be having the name, kishore kumar. Moreover it is not a must that a man called kisgore kumar must always like and praise kk. if he does not like kk whats the problem with you?
Mr. Zaheendanish
It is true early 70’s due to respiratory problems, in some songs, ghantasala’s breath can be heard. But even with that voice he was supreme – none matched him in his industry, he shortly passed away nin 1974 after that.
Some songs of ghantasala breathing sound can be heard from early 70’s as he had developed respiratory problems. But his 40’s to 60’s was great no such issues Zaheendanish.
contd… zaheendanish
You should hear g from late 40’s to late 60’s after which due to health problems, as you said, the change in voice can be noted.
Dear Mr. Hans and kishore kumar fans
What a brilliant analysis your brilliant mind has carried out ? Thank you kishore fan, raj and sandeep ji for clarifying the points. I agree I am a recent entrant in this site and in kishore site had only one post for me, but you kishore fans can take me equally as a kishore kumar lover. But it is really unfortunate that the brilliant mind of Mr. hans is not able to understand ghantasala and kishore kumar.
Zaheen danish
You are correct, ghantasala developed health problems (respiratory) from late 60’s and you can hear sound of his breath in some songs (not all) from early 70’s – he passed away in 1974, shortly after developing the problems. The speciality is even with health problems he was the supreme – even that voice no body could compete with in his industry. Even a day before his death he sang a song from the hospital bed. In 1972 ghantasala sang a song only once and left the studio due to cough, and the producer asked spb to sing the song. SPB sang the song whole day, but the producer was not satisfied and asked the music director to put ghantasala song only, as the song sung once only was much effective. That was his brilliance.
Mr. Hans and kishore kumar fans
What a brilliant analysis your brilliant mind has carried out ? Thank you kishore fan, raj and sandeep ji for clarifying the points. I agree I am a recent entrant in this site and in kishore site had only one post for me, but you kishore fans can take me equally as a kishore kumar lover. But it is really unfortunate that the brilliant mind of Mr. hans is not able to understand ghantasala and kishore kumar.
Zaheen danish
You are correct, ghantasala developed health problems (respiratory) from late 60’s and you can hear sound of his breath in some songs (not all) from early 70’s – he passed away in 1974, shortly after developing the problems. The speciality is even with health problems he was the supreme – even that voice no body could compete with in his industry. Even a day before his death he sang a song from the hospital bed. In 1972 ghantasala sang a song only once and left the studio due to cough, and the producer asked spb to sing the song. SPB sang the song whole day, but the producer was not satisfied and asked the music director to put ghantasala song only, as the song sung once only was much effective. That was his brilliance.
While going through older posts in this thread I read somewhere that Ghantasala was suffering from breathing problems at the later stage of his life. Hence the songs sung between late sixties till 1974 have the gasping sound of his breathing which can be clearly heard in his singing. To make sure I listened the songs of Premnagar on youtube. I found it whoever told that was absolutely right The ghantasalans need to shed some light on this weakness (short of breath) of ghantasala. Also this short of breath weakness pointed out by our rafi fan Raam Krishna Bharti in his earlier posts as proof.
Mr. Hans and Mr. Bharti
Both of you are wrong my dear. Just see mr. Raj’s post in 2901 recent one, we are all from kishore forum – abhishek is not known there at all, He has surfaced only in this rafi forum very recently, and meeting him for the first time here. It is confirmed you are addicted in utterling lies and blaming others, like you have been doing earlier.
Hans Post 2900:
Wow! What a scientific analysis. Now we know that all these kk’s & “salan’s”(A food in india) are one and the same person posting by various names, good show brother, The dim stars of theirs are never seen when the Sun (rafi sahab) shines in the sky.
Rafi sahab is the “1st and last word in singing” & as ali rightly said, these singers are either 0, or 2,3,4, but i would remind that accoring to mannaday its all rafi sahab from 1-10, hence their number starts from 11, onward.
abhishek(?)
though i did not need to respond to you after your antics from your computer becoming raj, kishorefan, shrivastav etc. yet as these are your old posts and you have gone beyond the 3 songs. so i would like to reply to whoever you are.
song the link provided at post 2722 –
there is no room for such pseudo classical songs in films. such a song would be a perfect bathroom break song in hindi movies. so to look for such songs in hindi when no such stories have been attempted is foolish.
song the link provided at post 2726 –
your depleted voice theory is useless. because ghantasala has failed in his effort to produce a depleted voice. you do not know rafi or you would not have asked me to provide such a song. he has done a lot of variety, including singing in totlee bhasa of a kid in chhote nawab for mehmood. the numerous sharabi songs also fall in this category. but for you i would provide a link to another song. see the prowess of rafi. i do not expect you to be blown over, but i hope it will make you more jealous.
[link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QF0eleGYdg[/link]
this song is a must listen for rafi lovers.
Mr. Hans
I have been observing you many times regarding your comments on faults in siva sankari – I request you to first know the situation for which the song was sung, for how many roles it was sung, how many voices are needed for that, how the technical adjustment was made, what was the purpose. Without understanding the background, I do not think any comments should be made.
2899 Musharaff ji – good post, hope all follow that.
Anil cherianji.post 2883.
What a prodigious exploration you have conceded around the choral of rafi sahab, purely astounding. You’re lexis, the selection of words and above all the analysis established on the deepness of your love for this immortal singer of india.
You opinions to explore one of the lot many facets of rafi sahab singing is very educative. Hats off to you, i truly appreciate your commentaries and it is such type of illuminating interpretations that undeniably has been the trademarks of pronounced analysts, critics and music specialists like you.
I am quite certain of one thing, that some renowned vocalists of india having beautiful voices, (such as talat mehmood, mukesh chandermathur, surrayaji, geeta dutt, and above all muhammad rafi sahab and lata mangeshkar), whenever lend voice to a lovely composition, the song is a spontaneous success. Meaning that the blend of great music composition and beautiful, rich voices makes a song hit.
But so far as rafiji is concerned, he had the distinctive eminence and wisdom to transform a mediocre song into an appealing one and a good song into an extraordinary song. His honeyed voice, his variations, his transformation of notes from lowermost to peak and vice, versa. Furthermore, the smooth & steady shifting of notes, PLANE GLUIDING OVER THE SONG, his supreme expressions, the sounding of different words, was a distinctive quality that is in abundance in the voice of rafi sahab. Sometimes i am so much amazed, that when has rafiji went from low to high notes. There is such a spontaneous tranfer, in rafi sahab songs. Every time he croons for younger leads, his voice always has that juvenile ambiance in it, at whatever time deep-tone was the requisite, it was very much there. After hearing rafi’s duets, one can easily make out the difference and strenghth of rafi’s voice.
For example, the duet with lataji,”dil ka na kurna aitbaar koi”. i sense that if you take out the euphonious ‘taan’ of rafi sahab from that particular song, it will loose most of its exquisiteness, splendor & charisma straightaway. Than the modulations of the words ( amal rajinder ahs quoted a duet song with lata mangeshkarji), (post 2862) “dhere dhere chal, chand gagan mey”. Just perceive the expressions rafi sahib has delivered to different words in the song, lataji although has sung equally good but the rendition of certain words that rafi sahib has carried out, the modulations and expression of voice is matchless. This is what is being well known as “the rafi-magic”.
I shall be citing other instances visibly presenting the reason for the superemacy of rafi sahab over every other singer of india.
And read some comments here by shankar narain swami posing as rafi fan – some 20 posts in just 30 minutes blaming ghantasala
And who is this kishore kumar – criticising kishore kumar again a disguised icon for blaming legends has appeared with a respected name kishore kumar
Mr. Hans
Who is Mr. Abhishek ? This man was found very recently in this rafi forum. Just come to kishore forum you will find all us for past many years – read our posts there. Just do not again go by the blame game.
dear rafians read this carefully,
as bhagchandaniji has already pointed out in his post 2884 in response to srivastav(?)’s post 2876, these so called gs or kk (i would refrain from relating them to one singer, because they are fan of none and their sole aim is to defame rafi) fans have always adopted a strategy. sometimes they appear as kk fans then, to say in hindi ‘achhi tarah joote khane ke baad’, they appear as gs fans and then again as kk fans. and the vicious circle continues.
after the recent drubbing they got from the concerted effort of all rafi fans, i was expecting a similar thing i.e. appearance of kk fans.
now watch their entry. first kk fan appears at 6.23 pm on 19th august, the second one promptly appears at 6.26 pm. then the first one reappears at 6.29 and says “No amount of argument can prove rafi to be any way superior or even nearer to ghantasala.” he then remembers that he has appeared as kk fan and has mentioned only gs. then he again appears at 6.31 and mentions kk. then at 7.40 a third one srivastav appears.
then at 7.04 our beloved divine friend abhishek(?) appears and makes 3 posts upto 7.14. earlier someone or the other of the three were appearing after a gap of 3-4 minutes but none of the three appeared between 7.04 and 7.14 when abhishek was posting. after abhishek was finished raj again appeared and made 3 posts within 10 minutes.
all rafians should note that they posted 15 posts between 6.23 to 7.28 i.e. 65 minutes time. as per my observation the person posting as abhishek has posted all these from the same computer. so this is a clear strategy and it has been going on since long. this should always be kept in mind while dealing with them.