Did R.D.Burman really preferred KK over Rafi?
This article is written by Mr.H.V.Guru Murthy.
A regular browser to web site mohdrafi.com, having gone through the letters of Rafi lovers would assume that R D Burman did not utilize Rafi properly, instead he preferred Kishore Kumar. Because of this reason, Rafi Fans are still upset with RDB even though he passed away a decade back.
Yes, it is true that RDB preferred KK over Rafi during early seventies. For that matter, which Music Director or Actor or Producer or Director will not have his preference. It was well known that Raj Kapoor always preferred Mukesh, Manoj Kumar preferred Mukesh or Mahendra Kapoor, B.R.Chopra films had Mahendra, MD Ravi also had plenty of songs with Mahendra so also O.P after he broke with Rafi. Similarly OP always had either Asha or Geetha Dutt and never Lata. Salil also used all other Singers. Director Subba Rao insisted on Mukesh for SAATHI even though the hero was Rajendra Kumar and MD Naushad, two Rafi Fans. Even Kalyanji Anandji had many films with Mahendra Kapoor, Mukesh and KK even though Rafi was instrumental in their raise through JAB JAB PHOOL KHILE, AAMNE SAAMNE, etc. LP, by all means Rafi Bhakts, used KK regularly in the early seventies even for Rafi heroes like Jeetendra, Dharmendra, etc. SJ also switched over to KK in movies like MAIN SUNDAR HOON, DIL DAULAT DUNIYA, KAL AAJ AUR KAL, etc. Of course, the music standard came down a notch or two in that period. But, well, it is their prerogative to have whomsoever they wanted though I am sure in heart of heart, why even openly, they would have admitted the superiority of Rafi over all other Singers. Similarly, RDB also used KK for almost all his movies in the early seventies as perhaps he had some special chemistry with him.
However, let us not forget that RDB used Rafi extensively during late sixties as his main playback singer right from the first movie. He gave hit music with Rafi in TEESRI MANZIL, NAQLI NAWAAB, CARAVAN, PYAAR KA MAUSAM, THE TRAIN, ABHILASHA, ADHIKAR, RATON KA RAAJA, etc. Later during late seventies he returned to Rafi and gave hits like SHAAN, HUM KISISE KUM NAHIN, ABDULLAH, ZAMANE KO DIKHANA HAI, etc. In between, he had Rafi in CHANDI SONA qawali with Mannadey (Ek Shok Hasina Se), YADON KI BAARAT (Title song and who can forget the duet with Asha Chura Liya Hai Tumne), DIL KA BAADSHAH (this Raj Kumar starrer had all songs by Rafi), THE GREAT GAMBLER (Raftasa Mera Naam), SHEHZADA (Solo Tere Attaroo and duet with Lata Kaahe Ko Bulaya), etc.
If a person cannot appreciate the greatness of Rafi, then it can be safely concluded that the person does not have a sense of music. Of course, RDB was a good MD though not a great MD like Naushad, Madan Mohan, OP Nayyar, SDB, etc. RD would have definitely known the great qualities of Rafi, the Singer. Just because he did not use Rafi extensively as one would expect, let us not degrade this MD who gave us some good songs in CHANDAN KA PALNA, PADOSAN, HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA, MERE JEEVAN SAATHI, AJNABEE, AMAR PREM, SANAM TERI KASAM, BHOOT BANGLA, BAHARON KE SAPNE (Rafi solo Zamane Ne Maare), PARICHAY, KINAARA, APNA DESH, ZAHREELA INSAAN, RAMPUR KA LAKSHAMAN (Pyaar Ka Samay with Lata, KK and Rafi), 1942 – A LOVE STORY, KATI PATANG to certain extent, etc. though he gave some very mediocre music in films like DEEWAR, SHOLAY, KITAAB, ZAKHMEE, RAFOO CHAKKAR, NAMKEEN, DHARAM KARAM and BIWI O BIWI (so un-RK film like), etc. so many forgettable movies as for as music was concerned.
The irony of RDB was either he gave good music or petered out to a very mediocre music in so many films. I read some where that Shashi Kapoor called RD as National Anthem Music Director. In those days, theatres used to play National Anthem at the end of the movie and the Hall doors used to be shut till the completion of the Anthem. As soon as the Anthem used to commence, our in-disciplined people used to rush to the Hall Door and wait for the door opening. Similarly, whenever RDB songs commenced in most of the movies, people used to rush to toilet.
Still, it is not fair that we use harsh and sometimes, un-parliamentary language against any body if they differ with our views. We cannot forget the contribution of all these MDs, Heroes, Singers, Directors, etc. in making the Indian Film Music so rich.
Arnab…
R u a Bengauli as your name suggests…
Let me tell you that Bengal has the second highest number of Rafi saab fans in India after Kerala.
Anil Biswas had to apologise to the Public in Mumbai and said that he never said anything against Rafi saab.
You know the end of RDB and how his wife treated him…….
SDB TOO was so upset about his son COPYING TUNES from the west he told Naushad ji – during his morning walks on the bandra beaches.
PLS keep your opinions to yourself and do Not do Pollution wherever you Go.
Go elsewhere with your frustrations you joker! RD was a copycat who probably copied everything from the west. No wonder why contemporary composers idolize him, it’s RD Burman who has taught them how to copy without acknowledging the source. Had it not been for RD, they would have never learnt this art of plagiarism.
Arnab maybe you should be viewing your lord of music’s website instead of wasting time and coming up with such rubbish on this site. Rafi fans have nothing to be jealous about as most people who have any knowledge or love of music would be in the majority when they say Mohd Rafi dominated the music scene over a much longer period of time than Kishore Kumar and let’s not forget that Mohd Rafi even did the playback singing for Kishore kumar. Mohd Rafi was the choice of nearly all music directors aswell as actors because of his talent. You need to read up about facts before you write anything and then maybe you may just become an okay critic.
Also the people you are referring to, who you say share the same views as you are hardly the greats in their field like the ones that have endorsed Mohd Rafi as being the best.
Pancham da is the lord of music. 50 years from now no one will remember Rafi but the lord with his music will always be remembered. This article is nothing but the frustration of jealous Rafi fans. Also, I wholeheartedly agree with Anil Biswas, Guru Kishore Kumar was more popular and much better than Rafi. As Jagjeet Singh and Salil da also pointed out, Rafi was just an okay singer. 😛 😛 😛
So many people seem to want to compare their favorite singer with Rafi. That means only one thing. Rafi is the gold standard against which the fans want to measure their idols, be it Kishore kumar, Yesudas, Soundara rajan, Mukesh, Lata, Mannade, Soni Nigam or others. This is evident from the comments on YouTube. Rafi is unparalleled in many respects as a singer and as a person. Other singers can imitate Rafi and have done so over and over. Some of them even have managed to surpass him in some songs. But they all can have only one or two aspects of Rafi- not all. There is nobody who is so versatile and he stands alone in this respect. And that voice? It goes deep into your soul when he sings devotional, sad or romantic songs. The comparison as long as it doesn’t get nasty or takes on a communal tone is not a bad thing and it actually shows admiration in disguise for Rafi. Listen and you will find Rafi’s influence in the singing of those who became famous after him. One is not a true music enthusiast if one likes a song not for its quality but because the singer belongs to a particular region, religion etc. Another fact of life is we all tend to gravitate toward songs that we grew up hearing. So there is going to be a generational factor. All said, I feel bad for those who cannot enjoy the beautiful renditions by Rafi, be it funny, goofy songs, devotional or romantic songs and especially ghazals. You don’t need to understand the language to enjoy quality renditions. I hope people would like singers for their talent, not for what their given name tells about their religious origin. Ask yourself. Would do still like your favorite singer if he/she belongs to the ‘wrong’ community? Would you like others if they belonged to your preferred religion? Do some soul search and find out.
Watch East west south north on you tube.
(This is posted on both Kishore fans’ and Rafi fans’ websites)
Sunilji, I totally agree with you but then again I’ve never considered Kishore Kumar as any competition for the great Mohd Rafi as Mohd rafi was in a league of his own and that way above all his contempories.
He was the choice of nearly every music director and we are talking here about people who had expertise in their chosen profession and insisted on Mohd Rafi to sing for them, he did justise to all the songs he sang as he sang straight from his heart and that’s why it touched people’s hearts aswell, he gave people like me goosebumps and had the ability to make us so emotional through his music.
Anyone who knows anything about music can only admire the great man and have nothing but respect for him.
To All kishore fans
firstly i don’t want to debate with any kishore fan because A kishore fan can never understand music had it been the case he would not have been a kishore fan. Rafi saab any day any time would beat kishore in voice Quality.
The godly voice has no rival but all admirers.
Manna Dey sahab the great exponent of classical music said no one comes even close to Rafi. What the hell these so called music lovers are talking.
Do they have better understanding of music than Manna Dey sahab.
S P bala Subramaiam The 6 times national award winner says “As far play back singing is concerned Rafi sahab is the Ultimate” . He went on to add
We also have kishore gaaru, Manna Dey gaaru … they are also all versatile
singers. But in Rafi’s throat (voice) there is an indescribable sweetness that
that caresses us softly, strokes us, gently relaxes & pacifies us… .
His … voice used to become so absorbed into ( one with ) the music
and that mike sense was so extraordinary that his voice would fill up the entire theater. That extraordinary ..essence of God that he had in him was firstly this wondrously tuneful, singing and secondly as we listen we completely forget that this is a human singer singing.
Everything in front of our eyes just goes out of focus a bright beacon of light
appears and we stare into it unblinkingly, an unmitigated river of tears flowing unchecked from our eyes, and it feels like God himself is standing in front of us. This is the ultimate that a singer can achieve …
I am not writing anything of my own these are best our country has produces it is what they have said .
Coming to young generation Sonu Nigam says “those who don’t understand his music ( like those kishore fans) actually do not know ABC of music”.
Now Lata Mangheshkar despite having differences on many issues look what she says when it comes to singing “A singer like him will never come again”. ” He had such class and range he could outclass any one of us easily
but he was such a gentleman never pretended to be so”. ” I feel honored to have sung maximum number of duets with him”.
Now who is left are all these people fools or they don’t have that sense of music which our these friends have. I have deliberately avoided putting my own views here because they would never agree to my views but can they ignore the views of these giants of our music .
Well said Andrea, yes it will be Shankar Jaikishan “the Greatest” in the field of western music influenced our Hindi film songs. Let us just imagine our Hindi film music without SJ, it is impossible to even think of…. from where to where this great duo had brought our Hindi film music, much before RD’s entry. It will also not be harsh to say that RD’s success was on the foundation stone laid by SJ. As Teesri Manzil’s music’s great success owes a great extent to Shammi Kapoor’s greatness. Everybody was looking out at that time to some great music from a Shammi film, as a precedence thanks to the solid/unbeatable foundation laid by SJ. There are many-many …… songs of Rafi, which Rafi only could sing. Even if Arnab says he personally could not comprehend the emotions Rafi had brought to few of the Rafi songs he could list ….. greater than him obviously were those music directors & producers who composed/produced & went ahead with those songs, as per their choices. Even we cannot imagine these few songs Arnab could list without Rafi doing those “Great Nuances” for those practical/satirical situations needed then.
Let us not degrade any of these great legends by any means. We are just commenting but they have given their lives for those beautiful era they had strived for. Again to say we expose our weakness by writing such derogatory remarks. If we do not have guts to appreciate their hard work, let us at least not gift them thoughtless/partial words or lines.
Kerala and West Bengal has the Highest Number of Mohd Rafi Fans…….
Mr Arnab. Bengalis Are Not Parocial…….like you.
But, a Bengali group was against Rafi Saaheb . The Masses were NOT.
This group members all FADED AWAY.
incidentally, THE LAST DAY OF RAFI LIFE WAS SPENT REHEARSING A DURGA PUJA SONG WITH A BENGALI COMPOSER….. who was travelling from CALCUTTA.
IT could Not be completed.
INSPITE OF High fever RAFI SAAB DID’nt, DID’nt CANCEL HIS REHEARSAL.
CLEAN YOUR PARACHIAL EAR DRUMS AND learn to BE GENTLE . AND DONT SPIT WHEREVER YOU WALK…….
R D BURMAN ji Never Went Above Teesri Manzil in his Musical Carreer………
It was Rafi Saaheb who gave GLORY TO RDB………..
and with OTHER SINGERS, he was OKAY OR JUST MEDIOCRE WITH LOUD MUSIC.
HIS END WAS SAD…..WITH NO FILMS AND FRIENDS.
THE GREATEST COMPOSERS WERE SHANKAR JAIKISHAN………TAKE A SURVEY U PAROCHIAL ARNAB……RDB COPIED SJ TO MANY A EXTENT.
Mr. Arnab:
Your impatience is well understood. Like most RDB-KK fans you too suffer from some peculiar stereo-type syndromes which drive them to come up with flawed arguments.
You mean to say that MDs who preferred Rafi over other singers come in the category of Tom Dick and Harry. This must be most non-sensical comment one can think of. Your uncalled for comments are borne out of sheer ignorance of essence of playback singing.
As far as some music directors not liking some Rafi saab’s certain songs that you mentioned, well, it is their problem. They are entitled for their choices. But there are 20 times no. of music directors who will swear by Rafi saab.
Please understand that playback singing is essentially situation-driven. The song “Babul ki duaaen leti ja….” had a specific situation describing the feeling of a father. The song is sung from FATHER’s side and the sobbing is natural. If you are comparing it with another bidaai song “Chal ri sajni ab kyaa soche…’ then that song has slightly different situation. Mukesh’s song is ‘description of the overall situation’ meaning describing the feelings of ALL present (one by one) by a third person (the describer). The song required to be more subtly sung with inherent introvertness. ‘Khilona jaan kart um to mera dil tod jaate ho…’ required over-expression (as per the situation in the movie) as it was picturized on a mentally unstable person. If you are not able to understand these finer points of playback singing, then discussion with you will be futile.
Lastly you have to judge Rafi saab (or any singer for that matter) from OVERALL body of his work and NOT pick up a couple of songs that you do not like. I cannot think of any other singer on this planet who could sing “Abhi na jaao chhod kar….’ “Is rang badalti duniyaa nein….’, ‘Main ye soch kar uske dar se utha tha…’, ‘Kar chale hum fida jaano tan saathiyo…’, ‘O duniya ke rajhwale……’, ‘Ye zulf khul ke bikhar jaaye to achha…’, ‘Man re tu kaahe na dheer dhare….’, and so on so forth (the list is endless Mr. Arnab). And non of these in-numerable songs is melodramatic. And if you think they are boring then your musical sense is defective beyond repair.
-J.K. Bhagchandani
Well said Andrea your comments directed at Arnab say it all for me and no doubt for many others I couldn’t have put it better myself.
This site is for people who appreciate good music and Arnab obviously doesn’t so there are other sites I’m sure that will cater for the likes of him but his site doesn’t need that kind of bullsh– or comments!!!!!!!!!!
The Idiot Arnab… has to test his ears and his mind.
Then he has to be sent to a KINDERGARTEN School to learn Good Behaviour.
The fact remains that due to RDB’s connexion with the Ashas – he had to resort to the bottle as 21 films flopped one after the other.
All his producers went away and he was left with ailments . It was Sad.
And, Rafi saaheb went as the Numero Uno singer of all times – in 1980.
Mr Arnab – please dont be so much dumb and do Not play Your Mischiefs Here.
“If a person cannot appreciate the greatness of Rafi, then it can be safely concluded that the person does not have a sense of music.”
What a nonsense comment! … you mean any tom dick or harry who preferred rafi over others has to be better than rd, salil or anil biswas! what a pity! if you guys cannot appreciate the greatness of salil, anil biswas or one and only rd it can be safely concluded that you do not have any sense of music ‘,,, i have never seen fans of other singers ridiculing artists like this,, this jealousy problem happens to be with rafi fans only.
To Mr. Bhagchandani – I personally know many golden era music lovers who simply cannot tolerate “Babul ki duae leti ja”, “Khiolna jaankar tum to”, “April fool banaya” among many others. His expressions in these songs were utterly over-dramatic.
RD was a great musician but not a singer. Few preferred LP over him in the later stages of his career, e.g. Ram Lakhan & the loosing Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak to Anand Milind, few sad instances to mention. Few critics blamed him copying western ones at few instances, SD asked him always for that extra mile, had very few successes at the later part & the end, etc all history now. Untrue to say RD preferred KK over Rafi, as after Jaikishan’s untimely passing away, door opened for new entries & so the time & outlook got changed & for those actors Rafi was the soul of success became bit older & the use of the hard-core Urdu diminished (for which reason musicians preferred Rafi over all others). In fact Rafi sang many good numbers of RD & RD’s entry to the elite group was through Rafi only with Teesri Manzil & Nasir Hussain films had Rafi as the main lead all through with many great songs. We will remember bot Rafi & RD for their immense contributions to India Hindi film music & Yamma- Yamma is a great testimonial to it.
Mr. Arnab:
Your use of words (melodramatic, boring) for Rafi saab is an exhibition of limited (or rather negligible) knowledge of music that you possess. Another proof of your poor knowledge is that you are making a musical comparison between a music director and a playback singer. Please compare R.D. Burman with Madan Mohan, Naushad, O.P. Nayyar, Shankar Jaikishan, C. Ramchandra, Roshan etc.
Now since you have taken the trouble of making an unsolicited comment please prove your point through examples and technical analysis.
-J.K. Bhagchandani
rafi was a good singer ,,,,,but at times he was melodramatic and boring,,,, rd was the lord,,,, an ocean of music,,, rafi though a good singer was no where near to rd in terms of knowledge of music …musically rd was much much greater than rafi
I agree Khan saheb. If we take take Dharmendra for example whose career has expanded over many years and he has had many songs picturised on him with the voice of both Mohd Rafi and Kishore Kumar he has openely expressed preference in interviews to the great Mohd Rafi saheb because he said his songs are classics and memmorable even today. Therefore, it was very short thinking on the part of film producers/ music directors who in those days took preference to KK over Mohd rafi as the songs may have had a little success at that time but were forgotten in an instant (shame on them!!!!!!!!).
@ sahil hathrasi 🙂 🙂 pata nahi tum ne kis kam akal ka lekh padh liya ? agar Kishor Kumar itne hi paidaishi sangeet ke ghyani they to unhone bhajan kyu nahi gaey,qawalliya kyu nahi gai, classical songs kyu nahi gaey, bas ek hi style par atak kar reh gaey…aur yeh na bhoolo ki jis time kishore market mein they us waqt rafi sahab 4 saal ke liye london chale gaey they.. is liye koi tha nahi..jab woh wapas aaey to sab ko samjh aa gaya !! ki kaun kya hai.
One of the other reason is that RD started bengali lobbies and thought to capture music industries but sorry to say he failed badly and one time came where he was back to RAFI SAHAB…
Excellent, you said it true that whenever RDB songs commenced in most of the movies, people used to rush to toilet.
me and my group was one of them cz of the simple reason that the quality of songs was so weak and out of trend..
I personally think all the songs that Mohd rafi lost out on due to R D Burman’s preference to Kishore Kumar was R D Burman and the film makers loss as the songs in that period where KK dominated the playback singing is a period where the songs were at an all time low.
This was due in my opinion to a combination of the singers such as kk , lyrics and music directors , this compared to the 1950’s and 1960’s were a lot of the songs actually had meaning and are sung beautifully by mohd rafi and the lyrics penned perfectly by the lyricist of the time that combbined with music directors who could spot real talent made the songs in that era evergreen and memorable.
I personally think all the songs that Mohd rafi lost out on due to R D Burman’s preference to Kishore Kumar was R D Burman and the film makers loss as the songs in that period where KK dominated the playback singing is a period where the songs were at an all time low.
This was due in my opinion to a combination of the singers such as kk , lyrics and music directors , this compared to the 1950’s and 1960’s were a lot of the songs actually had meaning and are sung beautifully by mohd rafi and the lyrics penned perfectly by the lyricist of the time that combbined with music directors who could spot real talent made the songs in that era evergreen and memorable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqac5gdky_c&feature=related
Now thats what I called a true clash…both are simply great in their own voice and charm….love you both…you will always be special in everybody’s heart…
Check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxLou1ho7zU&feature=related
I am shocked why are we fighting about who is great and who is not…just be happy that we got to cherish all of them….everybody has a special place….lets not compare them…its an insult to each of them…when Rafi saab was in fame he ruled unanimously…he is the most versatile singer I have ever heard and there is no denying but do not compare him with Kishore da or Lataji…everybody has their time and its people who is responsible whom they like or not…if Kishore da went to fame in the 70’s whats the big deal…everybody gets their time…I agree he did not have the versatility as great as KL Saigal, Rafi sahab, Mukesh or Lata ji and also he was never a trained singer but do not underestimate his lively spirit which he brought into his song which made the people of that time mesmerized and it is the same people who liked earlier Rafi saab also…does that mean they started unliking Rafi saab’s great songs…..no I hope so….so lets not compare the Greats…and for Pancham da whats wrong if he had good chemistry with some singers….if Raj Kaapor favored Mukesh over other singers does it mean he has no taste….so its true for Pancham da too….don’t forget he was instrumental in revolutionizing hindi music and I believed his music was ahead of his time….don’t take that credit from him…..he had ups and down in his career….but don’t we love his songs….he never got the credit for his songs which we make remixes now, re-record his old songs and listen them to a great extent….so what fairness are you talking about…..there is no point questioning about anyone’s ability…as we are not in that position to make such comments…I love both of them singing and they have special places….time played the factor just realize that and I am sure you will not fight for it….I respect all of your personal opinion but do not insult any of them, as they are the pillars of our culture and heritage…..
sri.Binu Nair’s comments are absolutely right. The Mangeshkar family were not used to tolerate any other artist excelling them! both latha ji and Asha ji knew about Rafi Sahab’s towering presence as a co singer. and all the duets they sang with Rafi Sahab reveal the unmatchability of Rafi Sahab. I did not come across a song where either latha ji or Asha ji could equal Rafi sahab’s splendour!! True, Rai is THE GREATEST.
Gokuldas Kumar
That true rd used kishore da more but only from 1970 to 1977 if am not wrong rd is first music director who gave all songs of the film to mohd rafi and rd last film with mohd rafi(Shaan) rd gave more songs to mohd rafi.
Kishore da was a great singer but that not mean rd liked kishore do more than mohd rafi as rd said that my first song with mohd rafi was hit because of mohd rafi magic voice, also it is not mean if I like some one more that mean he is better that others, as many never saw Pela playing football but they said he is better that maradona .
Mohd rafi sang less for Rajesh k, mr Bachchan and RD but when ever Mohd Rafi sang for them the song was super hit.
kahi padha tha jisme kisi famous gulkar ne kaha hai ki” kaun kahta hai kishore da ko sur, sargam ki samajh nahi thi. yadi unhone sangeet ki tallem nahili to kya ye is baat kko kahna chahiye? nahi hargiz . sangeet sur sargam ki tallem to hum jaise gulukaro’n ko lena padti kishore da jaise fankaron ko nahi kyonki woh to paidayshi sangeet ke jankar the. unhe to ishwar ne saare sur diye the. woh ekmatra gayak the jo sab tarah ke sangeet me gaa sakte the. ye baat aur hai munsifkaron ne unka sahi istemaal nahi kiya. unhe bahut der se pehchana isliye unhe apna style banana pada. unhone sahi raag raginyo me geet gaye hai. wo ek aala darje ke fankar the.”
Wonderful post! it really got me thinking online coupons
Thank you for all the detail.. Yet yet another extraordinary article, it’s exactly why we come back to all your site repeatedly!
Some facts been misquoted :
MD for Zakhmee : Bappi Lahiri
MD for Rafoo Chakkar : Kalyanji Anandji
Over all the analysis is good.
I was reading the “so called” Shashi Kapoor’s comment about RD’s music, its an irony that one of his best songs “suhaani chandni raatein” was composed by RD. Someone mentioned that “jhanak jahanak” by manna is based on kalavati, no its darbaari kannada.
It was not rd but sd was the graetest fan of kishore. but sd lived in rafi era and still specifically composed chartbusters for kishore. R d burman also probably liked kishore but rd burman liked and adored rafi. But sd burman was completely in favor of kishore. it is clear post 70. till sd burman was alive rd never used rafi much. and it is also claer that for serious songs rd prefered kishore than rafi. the story continues till kudrat “hume tumse pyarkitana”. it is clear that rd liked rafi but liked kishore more. only to kill the bias in favor of rafi before 70 rd dedicd to go all the way for “kishore” till kishore is established a s lead singer. thereafter rd used all male singers equally with little more preference for kishore.
jest visit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bHJ_2fQRzs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX271XYTUtw&feature=related
lata ji speak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oaiCCNeOHI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZfN4c-ABx4&feature=related
kk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd1_yG9k11w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6wnwwOJJVw&feature=related
this is not a rafi song he has sang it in that style the song rafi sang is JAB TERE PYAR KA AFSANA LIKHA HAI MAINE HAR JAGA APEI KO DEEWANA LIKHA HAI MAINE JAB TERE PYAR KA IS A GAZAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5GmdpClSaw&feature=related
Raj, on other part, thats on Kishore side its a happy moment to have foundation on legends name ,,,,but immature statement like that of urs and the behaviours of many arrogant kishore fans raise a question in my mind about future of ur organisation,but frankly speaking I don`t even care,,however best wishes to u as few kishore fan out of exception may be good but most of them r just jelous striken and sick of critisizing others,,,,
Raj`s comment is completly an egoistic approch of presenting a subject… lets ignore this kind of visitors!
Friends, I don’t know why you keep posting your comments on this thread, when the discussion has nothing to do with pancham. Please post your comments on “true voice”. I found an English translation of the article by Lata in Hindustan Times; I’m going to post it on that thread.
Raj,
Why are you posting this on this site? which fool would expect fans of the greatest singer alive(yes alive) to state someone else as the best? Are kishore kumar fans that immature and illogical?
@ post no. 1306:
Who cares?
Kishore kumar in 1985 recieved Lata mangeshkar award…this shows difeerence between the two
1310,no way,,neither do we nor even kishore fans can compare Kishore with lataji,,as Lataji is much ahead of him…..and also,,,,its because of singers like Kishore kumar n others who sang with lata mangeshkar after rafi sahab death,,,made lata mangeshkar,,such a great legend with the tag best,,,as no one had any confusion,,,with kishore Kumar,,lata ji`s duet sounded mostly one sided,or sometimes appear both r singing for themselves no mutual realtions in the voice feelings.,
,,,Lata mangeshkar became Lata mangeskar in presence of other male singer of lower talent and mainly because of vacuum of rafi sahab absence after 1980,,,,
I love Kishore Kumar :
Kishore Kumar – the singer/actor and player of many parts can “never” go unloved. no doubt he is great like many of singers from k l saighal saaheb 2 suresh wadkar.
among female singers lata mangeshkar – inarguably is the best. can kk be compared with lata ji?????
i will not answer this since my heart says that mohd rafi is the “greatest” singer to have visited the hindi music scene from 1945 to 1980.
yes. he is the best as no singer has matched rafi in terms of versality and vocal range.
even asha bhosle no great open votary of rafi asked the legend singer to scale down the range – to match his vocals.
as naushad ji said in the film division documentary : a better singer like mohd rafi may come, we do not know. but, another mohd rafi will never arrive.
naushad saaheb was referring to the humanism of mohd rafi which “no” singer ever possessed other than singers k l saighal and mukesh saaheb.
back to kishore kumar. yes, he is great. not the greatest by any chance.
binu nair
refer to post 1304
Dear Nasreen ji
So we meet again. Without any prejudices, I would love to speak with you. Call me on 9819319157 and I shall tell you the real story.
1306 – Raj ji,
Yeah, kishore is king of playback singing, R D Burman is greater than Pt. Bhimsen Joshi and Rajesh Khanna is the greatest actor in the world. One thing – full appreciations for your comedy – a fact simply inherited as a heriditary factor from your guru ji.
Raj : 13 06 : All the best. But, Please ask ur men (few) – never to pollute the mohdrafi.com site and also say that because k. kumar sang few songs extraordinarily well, he is better than mohd rafi and thus the greatest.
it reminds me of cricketer wassim jaafer hitting a double century in one of the test matches and few cricket buffs “thinking” him to be as good as sachin tendulkar and becoming the “laughing stock”
binu nair, mumbai…
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Dear savita ji, raj ji!
mere post number 1292 ko mulahza karen,
rahi lata ji ke appraisal ki baat to chalo khushi hai ke aaj 29 saalon ke baad unki aankh to khuli. abe.tak to rafi saheb ke maamle mein unki zaban chup rahi, apne programmes mein rafi saheb ki aawaz mein gaane ke liye unho ne s.p.bala subramanium tak ko tarjeeh di lekin koi bhi rafi clone khawh woh shabbir kumar hon ya mohd.aziz hon unko nahi liya, shayad ghalti se ek baar shabbir kumar ko londaon ke 6 roz ke programme ke contact mein le gayee thee lekin jab 2 hi programmes mein shabbir kumar ne rafi saheb ke geeton ko gaate huey apni ek jagah banali aur log sirf rafi saheb ke hi geeton ko sunna chah rahey thay to unke bhai saheb ne shabbir bhai ke hathon mein wapsi ka ticket yeh kehte huey thama dia ke yahan log tumhe pasand nahi karrahay.
lata ji ek bahut badi bulkay female playback singers ki list mein sab se oonchi fankaar hain lekin kahin na kahin woh hamesha rafi saheb ki gayeki se khaufzada raheen. aaj 29 saal ke baad unka yeh iqraar rafi saheb ko badai nahi bukshta bulkay yeh alfaaz ada karke aaj woh khud badi ho gayee hain. aaj rafi saheb ke naam ka sahara lekar bahut saare puraane aur unke hum-asr fankaar hain jo headlines mein banay huey hain,khuda ne aql to sabhi ko ata kiya hai hum bhi aasani se is baat ka andaaza laga sakte hain khawh woh manna dey sb hon ya naushad saheb hon ya lata ji hon ya aarti mukherji hon.
naushad saheb ke geeton ko rafi saheb ne ‘laa-faani’ yani immortal banadiya,
waqt ke saath apne daur ka sab se bada music director bhi khamosh ho gaya lekin rafi saheb ki be waqt maut ne jaise unhe zindagi dedi aur woh ek baar phir se surkhiyon mein aagaye aur rafi saheb ki sari kaamyabi ka sehra unho ne sirf apne sar pe baandh liya.(meri baatein kuchh logon ko buri to zaroor lag rahi hain lekin yeh woh haqeeqat hai jis se inkaar mumkin nahi).
r.d.burman jin ke pehle geet ko aawaz dene ke liye s.d.burman sb ne rafi saheb se guzarish ki aur r.d.burman jis ki dhuno ko rafi saheb ne laa-zawal bana diya ….. misaal lijye……. arey o goria kahan tera des re, aaja aaja amin hoon pyar tera, tumne mujhe dekha ho ker, chura liya hai, pal do pal ka saath hamara, lekin fusion ke naam pe confusion ki jab hawa chali to r.d.sb bhi sari pichhli baatein bhool gaye.
asha ji apne kisi programme mein rafi saheb ka zikr tak nahi karteen, woh bhool gayeen ke diwana hua badal, isharon isharon mein dil lene walay, phir milogi kabhi is baat ka waada karlo, teri patli kamar, mujhe pyar ki zindagi dene walay, in geeton mein agar rafi saheb ki aawaz na hoti to ……….
aaj to woh khamosh hain lekin kuchh barson ke baad jab woh khud gumnaami ki raah pe chal padengi to achanak unhe khayal aayega ‘rafi bhaiya’ ka….. aur woh bhi baday khoobsurat bayan dekar khud ko limelight mein laengi………kyunki rafi saheb aaj ke daur ki ek aisi sachchai hain jinse inkaar mumkin nahi.
jawaid naseem
Ref. post 1301, Hi Priya – so wonderful to read your post of 1 Aug. It always troubled me that a great singer like Lata could actually have a fight with someone like Rafi Saab. How could anyone for that matter? In her Shradhhanjali album, she did not refer to him as Rafi “Bhaiya” either. But age must have made her wiser in this regard and she must have realised what the name Mohammad Rafi actually signifies. She of all people, has sung so many beautiful songs with Rafi Saab, and yes, they are the most beautiful duets only because the male singer is Rafi Saab. Otherwise, she has duets with all other singers and no doubt, they’re good too – but with Rafi Saab, the magic of the duet is different – because the magic is his voice. It cannot be denied. It’s the same with Asha’s duets too. Just think of the duets from kashmir ki Kali, that’s just one example.
Maybe Lata feels sorry for the fact that she had that quarrel re royalty. Ultimately, is money more important? Do we love Rafi Saab only because of his singing? If he had been a greedy, money hungry person (and it feels like a blasphemy to even utter this, it is so unimaginable), would we have this feverish love and adoration for him that we do?
But I am relieved to learn that Lata has acknowledged his greatness in her tribute. Thank you for sharing it here, I would not have any way of knowing this otherwise.
I have seen a few of your other posts too, and liked them very much. Keep writing. Yours in Rafi
priya sanyal ji : Post 1301 : every person will change according to circumstances and thus show their true colours. but at leisure they would “repent” – surely will. sometimes earlier and sometimes later.
the mangeshkars in their heart of hearts always knew that mohd rafi is the “best” – but would “never” acknowledge it openly.
there is a flood of mohd rafi appeal and his music in these scanty days of melody and fast ear shattering/breaking forgettable music.
it never surprises me that mohd rafi is being discovered by the new generations and also by his lovers and detractors alike.
like u never can stop a tide however u may wish.
binus2000@hotmail.com
I do not know whether Lataji used to get nervous or not with Rafi singing with her, one thing is clear: she is always short of words when it comes to expressing opinion about Rafi or Naushad. Her position as a topmost singer was really threatened when she picked up that legendary quarrel with him and saw him rising from summit to summit while music directors sought her substitutes in Suman Kalyanpurkar, Sharda, Mubarak begum and others. Both Lata and Rafi were great singers, no doubt. But it is in the tandem songs i.e., those songs that were sung by both male female singers as separate compositions that Lata’s weaknesses appeared.’A KAL MEIN DHAL GAYA’ [Beti Bete], ‘Zindagi Bhar Nahin Bhoolegi’ [Barsat ki Rat], ‘Ehsaan tera hoga mujhpar’ [Jungli,], ‘Pardesiyon se na ankhiyan milana'[Jab Jab Phool Khile] and numerous other songs reveal that Rafi’s renderings are far more impressive than Lata’s. They are also more heard and played even today. Lata has a way of picking up fights with people, it seems; she quarreled with S.DBurman, Before that there was story O.P.Nayyar spurning her forever after she didn’t honour punctuality, she gad a big fight with C.Ramchandra that really torpedoed his career. She was terribly concened about singer’s royalty. Why dodn’t she fight when Poet Pradeep’s name didn’t figure on the record of ‘Aye mere watan ke logon’. Much is made of that song quoting that Pt. Nehru wept over it! Years ago Mohammad Rafi had sung a soulful song on Mahatma Gandhi’s death, a long and beautiful song. Pt. Nehru had called Rafi then given a special words of appreciation. Why that s event didn’t become as legendary as Lata’s ‘Aye mere watan ke logon’. Ever alert diplomat as she is Lata celebrated her ‘Silver Jubilee’ in 1967, to the great amazement of all. Rafi should have celebrated his Silver Jubilee earlier because he had come to film world before.
Atlast lata mangeskarji broke her silence regarding lovable Rafiji,,,and come out with the words full of priase on 29th punyatithi of someone whome she calls ,”Rafi bhaiya”””,,,there are so many Rafi lovers who r great with their write ups,,hence I request someone of u to write an arcticle here on this site that appeared today(august 1st,09) in Hindi newspaper, Hindustan in new delhi,with Title”o dur ke musafir hamko bhi saath le le””
,Its about lataji tributing Rafi sahab,,,,she starts saying,,,”Rafi sahab sabse bade playback singer thhey,,,,,mainey sabhi mashoor gayako-talat mehmood,Mannade,Mukesh,hemant kumar aur kishore kumar ke saath yugal geet gaye`n hain,lekin rafi sahab ke saath gaane ka kuch dusra hi anand thha,,unke gaane me aisa lagta thha actor swyam gaa rahe ho`n,,K.L shehgal ke baad srotao(listeners) par “kisi ka bhi” eetna prbhao nahi para,jitna rafi bhaiya ka………….
She further explained how rafi sahab became leading singer in Hindi film industry in eye of all the music directors,,calling Great Naushad was the first to recognise rafiji`s Talent,,,and trend follower were Shankar jaikishan,OP nayar, madan mohan etc,,,,…Sd burman earlier had talat Mehmood,Hemant kumar and kishore kumar as his leading singer,but from 1957(nau do egyarah)onward started Rafi sahab as his main singer….
and giving reference of the song tere ghar ke samne`s title duet,at in midst of the song how she used to get nervous n SD burman requested Rafi sahab to make voice little lighter,,Rafi sahab laughed n then Lataji felt relaxed….quating this incident Lata ji praised him saying,,”aise thhey Rafi bhaiya”
Last words of the tribute were,,,,”Rafi bhaiya bahna(sister) ko yaad rakhna…..”